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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 3505970" data-attributes="member: 2205">It wasn't a non-plot storyline.  MJ's failure at her career while Spidey's suddenly on top of the world for the first time ever was crucial to the plot.  Peter's obliviousness to MJ's predicament is a integral to 1) allowing Harry to engineer their breakup as part of his "revenge agenda", 2) allow Peter to end up with Gwen Stacy, without which the Eddie Brock story dies before it even starts, and 3) is a crucial reason why Peter starts obssessively wearing the black suit.Granted, they didn't have to show the songs--that's an aesthetic decision which clearly you don't like.  However, you could argue that without it, the whole MJ/Peter falling out--which was really, really integral to the plot--was a major plot hole.Who was wondering that?  My wife--and all the wives of all the friends we went to see it with--had no idea of any of the history of Venom, and they thought it was incredibly obvious what "that black thing" was.And this is exactly what I'm talking about; you're assuming a priori that the suit does have thoughts of it's own and that the movie let us down by not telling us that; I'm saying that if the movie doesn't tell us that, then in the movie's reality it ain't true.  In which case, Venom's desire for revenge is not at all unexplained--as you claim--because in the movie's reality, the suit does not have motivation per se, it's just a parasitic creature that is drawn to strong emotions.  Eddie Brock certainly had those in spades.Hmm.. I had forgotten that he said that.  Still, I interpreted that to mean that the suit was able to respond to some basic stimulus around it... i.e., it recognized Peter as it's host and was drawn towards him.  There's nothing in the movie that would lead you to the comic book scenario where Brock is essentially having conversations in his head with the suit, for instance.  The movie suit just ain't that guy.As for stolen special effects from the Mummy--wtf?!Pshaw!  The very core of the Spidey mythology through the movies was the idea that some highly valuable eugenically engineered spider was wandering around free--nobody noticed it, and it happened to land on Peter and bite him, giving him Spidey powers.  That's a doozy beyond the example you give.  How about Green Goblin knowing exactly when and where his rival was going to be conducting secret tests in a hidden bunker with the military brass, so he could go blow them up?Those kinds of coincidences are all over the freakin' place in all comic book movies.  I'm honestly surprised that you're apparently trying to say that the meteor fall was somehow beyond the pale of what had already happened just in the Spiderman series alone.Huh?!  So, without the Spiderman name it's a much better movie?  I don't understand what you're saying.  If you think I'm just falling in line because it's Spiderman and that's the only reason I liked it, you have no reason whatsoever for thinking that, since I haven't even said what I think of the other movies, or about Spiderman as a whole.  That's a completely absurd assertion to make about what I would think if the movie were somehow exactly as it is yet not Spiderman.No, I didn't miss yours at all; you missed mine.  The other times he took of the suit, he'd only worn it briefly.  This time--although we aren't shown a calendar or anything--we're led to believe he's been using it nonstop for a very long time; days at least, more likely weeks.  So yeah--it's harder for him to take off now, because it's had a chance to bond with him.  Exactly as Dr. Connor's foreshadowed.Yes, that would have been better.  HOWEVER, as I said, the plot doesn't need for Peter to know that.  It's set up so that he accidentally discovers it while in the church.  You seem to think that that's a coincidence that you can't accept as likely, but I don't know why not.  If Peter Parker suddenly realizes that he's been acting like a prick, why not go to a church, sit in the steeple since you're freakin' Spiderman, and think about it?  People go to church for exactly that kind of thing all the time.Yeah, sure--I 100% agree on the Sandman/Uncle Ben connection.  That's my biggest complaint with the movie.Thanks for the suggestion but as it turns out my wife and I watched both the movies on DVD just last weekend, thankyouverymuch.As for how many absurd coincidences--there are plenty as I already stated.  Maybe you should watch them again yourself.For someone who "hates Spiderman" you seem to be taking it awfully personally when the movies deviate a little bit from the comic book tradition.  In particular about the details of who Venom is.Yes, I'm sure that's it.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />Maybe you didn't notice it--even though it was rather hamfistedly delivered as the last line of the movie in a Peter Parker voiceover--but the theme of this movie was that it's the choices we make that define us.  Harry overcame the effects of the syrum, the last several months of hating Spiderman, and even his anger at having his face blown up by Spiderman (by a bomb that he threw at Spiderman, I notice you conveniently leave out) because 1) he finally comes to realize that he's been wrong all this time about Peter, and 2) because he's a decent person who's able to overcome his darker side.  Like I said; that was kinda the theme of the whole movie, after all.No, you misunderstand me.  I wasn't saying anything at all about how often they did or didn't do it, I'm saying that it didn't get annoying.</blockquote>

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