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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DonTadow" data-source="post: 3506652" data-attributes="member: 22622">Cool, we both agree that showing the musical stuff was a waste of time. I don't think you really can argue that without the musical crap the plot would have disappeared.  The first scene with the two, she's talking about how important her debut is, seeing the bad review in the paper and the canning on the phone. Thats 15 minutes right there for more important plot development.  Apparently your friends are in the minority, as sony has now put a bio of venom on the website after others complained what the heck was that black thing.  Many people in our audience walked out asking what was that thing.  I actually enjoyed the movie slightly more (thus a solid 3 instead of 2) because of my familiarity with the comic book. And this is exactly what I'm talking about; you're assuming a priori that the suit does have thoughts of it's own and that the movie let us down by not telling us that; I'm saying that if the movie doesn't tell us that, then in the movie's reality it ain't true.  In which case, Venom's desire for revenge is not at all unexplained--as you claim--because in the movie's reality, the suit does not have motivation per se, it's just a parasitic creature that is drawn to strong emotions.  Eddie Brock certainly had those in spades. Most of the sand effects, which were the best in the movie, were seen in the mummy, mummy 2 and scorpion king. It was nice, but not innovative like the previous two movies. Pshaw!  The very core of the Spidey mythology through the movies was the idea that some highly valuable eugenically engineered spider was wandering around free--nobody noticed it, and it happened to land on Peter and bite him, giving him Spidey powers.  That's a doozy beyond the example you give.  How about Green Goblin knowing exactly when and where his rival was going to be conducting secret tests in a hidden bunker with the military brass, so he could go blow them up? Maybe if you're reading 60s and 70s origins. But, we're talkinga bout this movies history, and this movie series as tried hard to move away from the campy nonsensical explanations for powers.  Spiderman's origin scene was a nice 15 to 20 minute setup with a firm techno explnation that put you in the movie.  Seven guards chasing a supposed excaped killer who escapes them by climbing a fence is not treating your audience as if they are intelligent.  It would wind up in your top 10 worst movies of all time is what that should say. I was in another forum and we were talking about the top ten movies and I was thinking when i wrote this of how spiderman 3 creeps real close to mine.  No, I didn't miss yours at all; you missed mine.  The other times he took of the suit, he'd only worn it briefly.  This time--although we aren't shown a calendar or anything--we're led to believe he's been using it nonstop for a very long time; days at least, more likely weeks.  So yeah--it's harder for him to take off now, because it's had a chance to bond with him.  Exactly as Dr. Connor's foreshadowed. Common sense does. Again, treat the audience like their intelligent.  A plot should flow, not have hand waved places.  This was just awful plot movement/railroading.   I did, right before i went to see the movie I watched the dvd from 6 to 10.  Again, two smart movies, very good explanations and good story emmersion.   I don't care if they deviate from the comic book. Heck, I would have been satified with the cartoon origin of the astronaut ship.  All movies will not be like their book origins. . I hate when they deviate from their own continuity. Doc Conners says the suit is sentient, but they don't do anything with that. We're forced to treat venom like a 50s blob movie, but even those movies tried to explain the blobs motivations.  Usually, a good movie will try to hide a plot device, weave it into the plot so that the audience never sees it. This thing they put a big fat sign on top of with an arrow pointing to it that said plot device. Yeah, but that negates a major plot of the first movie, which is the syrum was near impossible to escape from. Remember, his father had the same advice. that peter was not the cause of all his problems.  Harry just decides at the speed of plot that its a good idea to stop trying to kill him.  Maybe if they take out spidey's last fight scene with harry and cut out the silly pie eating taking marry jane story, the turnaround would have been much more palatable.  I kept hoping that at the end harry would attack peter because he wanted to kill spiderman himself.  Instead we get some wondertwin team up. Thats just a difference of movie going. I don't care about the name of the movie. For a movie, this movie was awful. If you like spiderman you probably like it a bit more.</blockquote>

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