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<blockquote data-quote="Kwyn" data-source="post: 27473" data-attributes="member: 2362">Our DM keeps the copy of S&amp;F (which is why I don't know stats on the Duom) so I'm not sure of what comes into play with Knockdown.Is it resisted?&nbsp; Is it a strength roll?&nbsp; I'm always leery of contested rolls, because the bad guys often have better stats, at least in strength it seems.&nbsp; In my opininon, a skill has to have a 50% success rate to be something worth planning on reliably. As far as the levels, since I'm starting at 5, I'll be able to make the change to combat reflexes (or expertise) as a 1st level feat to avoid the EWP problem. Shallown, thanks for posting the PrC.&nbsp; I'm sure that at some point, someone searching the board for &quot;spiked chain&quot; or &quot;master of chains&quot; will see this thread and reallly be glad they did!&nbsp; For us though, the PrC is a bit overpowered and I'm certain my DM would never allow it.&nbsp; The continuation of good sneak attack progression, along with the improved feint (wow), weapon specialization and super tumble (wow), would in my opinion be better than any prestige class in any of the books.&nbsp; In a high power game however it might fit right in.One minor point, you indicate that the Black Chains often will &quot;keep the status quo of the city&quot;.&nbsp; That's definitely lawful behavior.&nbsp; I might look at making them any non-good rather than any non-lawful.&nbsp; It doesn't seem to be a group that would be interested in following goodly pursuits.&nbsp; If you need to keep them good for some reason, maybe just remove any alignment restriction at all or only make it Lawful Good.&nbsp; Just a suggestion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kwyn, post: 27473, member: 2362"] Our DM keeps the copy of S&F (which is why I don't know stats on the Duom) so I'm not sure of what comes into play with Knockdown. Is it resisted? Is it a strength roll? I'm always leery of contested rolls, because the bad guys often have better stats, at least in strength it seems. In my opininon, a skill has to have a 50% success rate to be something worth planning on reliably. As far as the levels, since I'm starting at 5, I'll be able to make the change to combat reflexes (or expertise) as a 1st level feat to avoid the EWP problem. Shallown, thanks for posting the PrC. I'm sure that at some point, someone searching the board for "spiked chain" or "master of chains" will see this thread and reallly be glad they did! For us though, the PrC is a bit overpowered and I'm certain my DM would never allow it. The continuation of good sneak attack progression, along with the improved feint (wow), weapon specialization and super tumble (wow), would in my opinion be better than any prestige class in any of the books. In a high power game however it might fit right in. One minor point, you indicate that the Black Chains often will "keep the status quo of the city". That's definitely lawful behavior. I might look at making them any non-good rather than any non-lawful. It doesn't seem to be a group that would be interested in following goodly pursuits. If you need to keep them good for some reason, maybe just remove any alignment restriction at all or only make it Lawful Good. Just a suggestion. [/QUOTE]

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