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<blockquote data-quote="maddman75" data-source="post: 370969" data-attributes="member: 2673">Well, I definately differ from your opinion.You are going to have to be more specific.&nbsp; I see little similarity between Diablo and 3e, except in the most general sense.&nbsp; Player's Option was an abomination.&nbsp; It was horribly unbalanced and I can't imagine it even being playtested.&nbsp; It made the PCs 3-4 times as powerful with no corresponding increase in monster power.&nbsp; You seem to be under the impression that &quot;classless == good&quot; and that simply isn't true.&nbsp; Its a matter of taste, and personally I find classless systems boring.&nbsp; In every one I've played, characters tend to have a sameness about them.I'm sorry, but this is incredibly arrogant.&nbsp; Did it ever occur to you that some new players might be just starting the game?&nbsp; Certainly I don't need all the DMing advice in the 3e players handbook, but I don't begrudge that it's there.&nbsp; Much more useful and well written than the 2e DMG IMHO.You're right.&nbsp; There's no way d20 could support fantasy, superheroes, modern, science fiction, and horror.&nbsp; Wait - D&amp;D, SASd20, d20Modern, Spycraft, T20, CoC - Oh, I guess you're wrong.Again - Some people LIKE class based systems.&nbsp; Just because something isn't to your taste doesn't mean that it is 'dumbed down'.D&amp;D isn't a'phase'.&nbsp; D&amp;D players are not somehow inferior to people who play other games.&nbsp; As the good Col. said recently, this is just coming down to geeks calling geeks geeks.&nbsp; Get off your high horse.&nbsp; D&amp;D isn't the short bus, its the express train through downtown that most people take.&nbsp; Oh, and I don't consider WoD to be a classless system.&nbsp; Just because you call them 'clans' or 'tribes' it doesn't change what they are <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.&nbsp; But as long as you're roleplaying it doesn't matter.&nbsp; Different types of gamers, and different types of games.&nbsp; Elitism will only hurt and furthur segment the hobby.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="maddman75, post: 370969, member: 2673"] Well, I definately differ from your opinion. You are going to have to be more specific. I see little similarity between Diablo and 3e, except in the most general sense. Player's Option was an abomination. It was horribly unbalanced and I can't imagine it even being playtested. It made the PCs 3-4 times as powerful with no corresponding increase in monster power. You seem to be under the impression that "classless == good" and that simply isn't true. Its a matter of taste, and personally I find classless systems boring. In every one I've played, characters tend to have a sameness about them. I'm sorry, but this is incredibly arrogant. Did it ever occur to you that some new players might be just starting the game? Certainly I don't need all the DMing advice in the 3e players handbook, but I don't begrudge that it's there. Much more useful and well written than the 2e DMG IMHO. You're right. There's no way d20 could support fantasy, superheroes, modern, science fiction, and horror. Wait - D&D, SASd20, d20Modern, Spycraft, T20, CoC - Oh, I guess you're wrong. Again - Some people LIKE class based systems. Just because something isn't to your taste doesn't mean that it is 'dumbed down'. D&D isn't a'phase'. D&D players are not somehow inferior to people who play other games. As the good Col. said recently, this is just coming down to geeks calling geeks geeks. Get off your high horse. D&D isn't the short bus, its the express train through downtown that most people take. Oh, and I don't consider WoD to be a classless system. Just because you call them 'clans' or 'tribes' it doesn't change what they are :). But as long as you're roleplaying it doesn't matter. Different types of gamers, and different types of games. Elitism will only hurt and furthur segment the hobby. [/QUOTE]

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