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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mathew_Freeman" data-source="post: 371337" data-attributes="member: 1846">Firstly I suggest ignoring Silverthrones comments unless you can argue with him constructively. Another thread recently dropped into near-flaming because he kept arguing the same things over and over again, and people kept telling him he was making assumptions, blah blah blah...very boring to read afterwards.Secondly - D&D 3e is not dumbed down. Apart from the whole issue of 'what does dumbed down actually mean' I would say that the game has remained very similar, except now all the rules make sense, follow each other and are consistent.Consider 2e - Thieves skills are percentages. Only thieves can have those skills. No one else is allowed to be as good as thieves.3e - anyone can take those skills. They are less likely to be as good, because that's part of the choice you make as a player to take a character who won't have as many skills, but there is no artificial reason why other players can't take those skills.2e - Dwarves can't be wizards. They are intrinsically magic resistant and have a social thing about not using magic. This is consistent.3e - Anyone can be a wizard/sorceror. Dwarves are not so good at sorcery (-2 Cha penalty) but can excell at Wizardry. Backgrounds reflect this. Consistent.Is either approach dumbed down? Is the 3e skills system superior to the 2e? I would say yes. It makes more sense that anyone can learn skills, but rogues are the best at them. The 'anyone can be any class' is more...logical...to me, though that's not the right word.What I'm trying to say is that 3e is more internally consistent, follows its ideas throughout the whole game and requires, on the whole, one rule:Roll a D20, add some modifiers, and beat the number the DM tells you to beat. Nothing more. If some of the numbers are out...well, we can deal with it.Compare that to the 1e and 2e legions of different rule set ups, different things requiring different rules (eg combat/skills/proficiencies). The game rules may be simpler, but that doesn't mean the game is dumbed down.Ramble over and out.</blockquote>

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