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Message: <blockquote data-quote="maddman75" data-source="post: 371931" data-attributes="member: 2673">I really don't see how.  Map based?  You don't need a map for 3e, though one is helpful in combat situations.  Same as for any other RPG.  And D&D is no more Hack and Slash than any other game.  This is much more dependant on the players than the system.  Now you are contradicting yourself.  Before you talked as if S|<!LLz & P0\/\/3rZ was a step in the right direction, now they are the basis for 3e?Have you even played 3e?In Your Opinion.  You are not an omnisceint being, and your tastes do not represent absolute truth.  It has been my experience that in classless systems characters have a sameness.  This is true also of strongly classed systems, but 3e's combination of class achetypes and feat/skill abilities two fighter (or any other class) can be vastly different in skills and abilities.Have trouble finding players for your Rolemaster game, do you?Again - you seem to have trouble with this concept - this is a matter of taste.  Certainly a system custom designed for a given genre is slightly better at representing the concept.  But there is an innate advantage in using a known ruleset.  Me and my group are (almost) all adults.  We don't have time to read 300 pages on a new way to roll dice.  d20 games give us the advantage of trying these different genres without having to start all over.So D&D is for dummies because the rules are too detailed.  You know, I kind of like that most effects can be categorized into a streamlined, consistant system.  It allows me to focus my efforts on storytelling and adventure, not making up rules as we go along.</blockquote>D&D isn't a'phase'.  D&D players are not somehow inferior to people who play other games.  As the good Col. said recently, this is just coming down to geeks calling geeks geeks.  Get off your high horse.  D&D isn't the short bus, its the express train through downtown that most people take. While the others are taking the limo.I have met few role players who did not consider D&D a phase, a game that most folk begin their role playing career with before moving on to more advanced games.[/quote]Role Playing Career?  What's your dental plan look like?You are taking this stuff way to seriously.  Its not like deep immersive roleplay is any less pointless or meaningful than hack and slash.  Its all still just a way of killing time.ROFLMAO - No, it targets wanna-be goths who are angry at their parents.  It also uses gimmicky dice mechanics that ensure you don't feel like you are playing D&D, no matter how wonky the statistics are.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Aww, wassamatter - your precious niche hobby is starting to become mainstream?  Now you can't feel superior over the 'unwashed masses' anymore?  Get over yourself. If you despise d20 so much, that's fine.  Ain't nothing to me.  But why are you arguing on a d20 board?  You *do* realize that you are insulting just about every person here, right?I think I'm done with this guy.  Just about anything else I could say to him would end up crashing this thread into a hillside in a ball of flames, so I'll bow out gracefully.I'm sorry you never had a good D&D game.[/QUOTE]

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