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<blockquote data-quote="dema" data-source="post: 372373" data-attributes="member: 5003">Gonna just jump in having read just page 3 in this thread. The first instance of dumbing down that we 2ers felt was the name changes of some magic items, namly the belts thing.3e is very rules intensive (ask Gygax too) and it takes more out of a person to make an NPC and adventure than the older ADnD rules.&nbsp; Almost everything is accounted for in 3e, in 2e we had to make things up on the fly.&nbsp; Maybe that is considered dumbing down, but i see it as the opposite.&nbsp; Sure the rules are streamlines, but they also handly many more situations, that IMHO is a more defines system and not dumbed down. I have enjoyed 2e because it's less rules and more story, 3e is very mechanical and seems like less story (fluff that is.)&nbsp; Do I feel 3e is dumbed down? They renamed some things and lifted some old restrictions, created rules for most situations - I really don't think that is dumbed down. Why didn't they change the name of a lichs phylatic (damn thing that keeps them going) to lichs amulet to keep people like we from having to look up what a damn PHYAHSJDJLSJS#$@#$ is?They didn't so I don't think it's dumbed down, just a bit different.just a rant--dem</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dema, post: 372373, member: 5003"] Gonna just jump in having read just page 3 in this thread. The first instance of dumbing down that we 2ers felt was the name changes of some magic items, namly the belts thing. 3e is very rules intensive (ask Gygax too) and it takes more out of a person to make an NPC and adventure than the older ADnD rules. Almost everything is accounted for in 3e, in 2e we had to make things up on the fly. Maybe that is considered dumbing down, but i see it as the opposite. Sure the rules are streamlines, but they also handly many more situations, that IMHO is a more defines system and not dumbed down. I have enjoyed 2e because it's less rules and more story, 3e is very mechanical and seems like less story (fluff that is.) Do I feel 3e is dumbed down? They renamed some things and lifted some old restrictions, created rules for most situations - I really don't think that is dumbed down. Why didn't they change the name of a lichs phylatic (damn thing that keeps them going) to lichs amulet to keep people like we from having to look up what a damn PHYAHSJDJLSJS#$@#$ is? They didn't so I don't think it's dumbed down, just a bit different. just a rant- -dem [/QUOTE]

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