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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8836090" data-attributes="member: 6795602"><p>For completeness's sake,</p><p></p><p><strong>Fire Shield</strong></p><p>"...In addition, whenever a creature within 5 feet of you hits you with a melee attack, the shield erupts with flame. The attacker takes 2d8 fire damage from a warm shield, or 2d8 cold damage from a cold shield."</p><p></p><p><strong>Spiritual Weapn</strong></p><p>"...You create a floating, spectral weapon within range that lasts for the duration or until you cast this spell again. <strong>When you cast the spell, you can make a melee spell attack against a creature within 5 feet of the weapon.</strong> On a hit, the target takes force damage equal to 1d8 + your spellcasting ability modifier. As a bonus action on your turn, you can move the weapon up to 20 feet and repeat the attack against a creature within 5 feet of it..."</p><p></p><p><strong>Case: Cleric > 5ft from enemy</strong></p><p>If the Cleric was greater than 5 ft away then the answer both RAI and RAW is no. The creature attacking must be within 5 ft. Clearly the Cleric is not within 5 ft and thus takes no damage.</p><p></p><p><strong>Case: Cleric = 5ft from enemy</strong></p><p>I believe the line I bolded for Spiritual Weapon above is simply a game rule on how to resolve the hit/miss of the spiritual weapon. The spiritual weapon is still the 'thing' doing the hitting and not the cleric. Thus, I believe RAW supports the ruling that even when the Cleric is 5ft away and uses his bonus action to cause the spiritual weapon to attack (*and it hits) that Fire Shield would not do anything because the Spiritual Weapon is not a creature and Fire Shield requires a creature within 5 feet of you to hit you with a melee attack. I also believe ruling the other way is not against RAW but does cause fictional issues - which makes in an inferior ruling IMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 8836090, member: 6795602"] For completeness's sake, [B]Fire Shield[/B] "...In addition, whenever a creature within 5 feet of you hits you with a melee attack, the shield erupts with flame. The attacker takes 2d8 fire damage from a warm shield, or 2d8 cold damage from a cold shield." [B]Spiritual Weapn[/B] "...You create a floating, spectral weapon within range that lasts for the duration or until you cast this spell again. [B]When you cast the spell, you can make a melee spell attack against a creature within 5 feet of the weapon.[/B] On a hit, the target takes force damage equal to 1d8 + your spellcasting ability modifier. As a bonus action on your turn, you can move the weapon up to 20 feet and repeat the attack against a creature within 5 feet of it..." [B]Case: Cleric > 5ft from enemy[/B] If the Cleric was greater than 5 ft away then the answer both RAI and RAW is no. The creature attacking must be within 5 ft. Clearly the Cleric is not within 5 ft and thus takes no damage. [B]Case: Cleric = 5ft from enemy[/B] I believe the line I bolded for Spiritual Weapon above is simply a game rule on how to resolve the hit/miss of the spiritual weapon. The spiritual weapon is still the 'thing' doing the hitting and not the cleric. Thus, I believe RAW supports the ruling that even when the Cleric is 5ft away and uses his bonus action to cause the spiritual weapon to attack (*and it hits) that Fire Shield would not do anything because the Spiritual Weapon is not a creature and Fire Shield requires a creature within 5 feet of you to hit you with a melee attack. I also believe ruling the other way is not against RAW but does cause fictional issues - which makes in an inferior ruling IMO. [/QUOTE]
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