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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mike Sullivan" data-source="post: 608546" data-attributes="member: 9824">Thanks for commenting, Witness!I think that there's probably a lot to this, though I'd have to think carefully about the exact type of flavour that I wanted to give the character before deciding precisely what special abilities.But, ultimately, this is intended to be a spellcasting class.  I don't want to replace very limited spellcasting abilities with powerful special abilities -- I want the class to be mainly about spellcasting (through spirits, of course).  So I'm kind of deferring the special abilities question until I get a better handle on how the spellcasting can not suck.You're doubtless right.  However, that's a lot of work.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />(Seriously, yes, I should.  I will eventually.)Well, you get a penalty to your Appeasment roll if you're asking the spirit to do something it doesn't want to do (which, presumeably, cross-alignment things would count towards).  So I think that that's effectively in there now.I think that my fundamental problem is that I want to use a skill, but skills in D&D don't scale well in comparison to spell levels.Which obviously argues for a special trait of some kind instead of a skill (since I was already assuming that the Spiritualist would have to be insane not to max their Spirit Appeasment skill with each level).  Ugh.  Inelegant.One thing I was contemplating -- and you all can feel free to tell me now how insanely over-complex this is -- was to make up each Spirit as a leveled character, with levels only in Cleric or Wizard, and give each one a spell list.  They'd cast their spells on behalf of the Spiritualist (you wouldn't be able to get enough attention from one to cast out its entire spell list, unless it was low-level in comparison to you).But the bookkeeping for that seems insane.</blockquote>

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