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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9457331" data-attributes="member: 7030563">We have done it.My big take aways - The immediate damage on casting and the cleric movement piece is nice and makes it way more versatile than it was.  The immediate damage on casting means you don't have to worry about losing concentration and doing nothing because it went down before the enemies turn.  On the other hand doing damage at the end of the enemies turn instead of the beginning does make it weaker for finishing off enemies before they get a turn.  With the old spell if you had an enemy you knew was near death and inside the guardians you could ignore him because he would die at the start of his turn, now you have to finish him off.Overall I would say more effective now though.  We were still using it at 20th level (upcast usually).As you say there is a lot of complications to someone else moving the Cleric around, and a high opportunity cost as well. Although we did that on occasion, we did not do it a whole lot and it was usually not that effective when we did do it.  It was more common that we used Dissonant Whispers to force enemies into it or grappled enemies and moved them into it and held them there.</blockquote>