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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Prism" data-source="post: 2184905" data-attributes="member: 9501">I think the problem with this kind of stuff is usually an imbalance within the party than anything else. An optimized Incantatrix in a standard party will often outshine and I agree that if that is the case then something is wrong. An Incantatrix in a party with a shock trooper/combat brute/leap attack frenzied berserker, a rashemi elemental summoning exalted druid and a divine metamagic focused cleric probably won't stand out at all. As long as the DM is happy to throw EL4+ encounters at the party most of the time and either drop the xp awarded or accept faster progression then it works ok. That being said, I guess most people don't play in that kind of group and therefore the strongest build often gets seen as abusiveAs an aside although divine metamagic persistant seems pretty abusive, a hard undead encounter or anything with dispel magic can upset this character - most spell battles open up with a few dispel magics thrown either way in our campaign. Besides a mid level cleric without this feat (and its two pre reqs) can reproduce this effect by simply casting divine power multiple times a day anyway. So for an average of 4 encounters in a day it costs you either 4 4th level spells or 3 feats, 7 turning attempts and 1 4th level spell if you use the divine metamagic persistant spell approach</blockquote>