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<blockquote data-quote="gabrion" data-source="post: 2187954" data-attributes="member: 30779"><p>Just trying to think of a few things to watch out for in the Complete Series. Some of these have been covered, but I list them anyway, to add support!</p><p></p><p><u>Books</u></p><p>Complete Divine-Yes the whole book. (I'm kinda joking, kinda not here)</p><p></p><p><u>PrCs</u></p><p>Ur Priest (CD)-9th level spells in 10 levels, Turn undead (see discussion about divine metamagic persistent spell), and he can buy an efreeti bottle and steal the ability to wish 3xper day without spending XP. Must be evil though, so easy to deal with.</p><p></p><p>Hulking Hurler (CW)-Can destroy the everything. Really.</p><p></p><p>Fatespinner (CA)-Has been covered. Easy entry, reroll, and adding to Save DC make it really crazy good. Assassin type wizards will love it. </p><p></p><p>Focluchan Lyrist (CAdv)-Not really broken cause of the requirements, but watch for players who try to get around them. They will try to learn druid from a druid they hook up with or use a ring of evasion to claim they have that ability. Say no. Even legit though, this class is pretty crazy. </p><p></p><p>Sublime Chord (CA)-Not really broken either, but it has a fast caster progression, and when used with Ur Priest and Mystic Thergue or FL, it gets messy. I like it though. Helps the bard be cool.</p><p></p><p>Radiant Servent of Pelor (CD)-I will repeat that this is better than the cleric in every way. Not anything to worry about though.</p><p></p><p>Master Trans. (CA)-The tenth level ability of this class is amazing. Use it with Shapechange and you can become some amazing things. My favorite is to be a Chronotyryn with the attacks of a Maralith. Bunches of attacks in a round. Options with this class are way out their, so be careful.</p><p></p><p>Effigy Master (CA)-Not really bad, but I have seen some ideas for effigies that are super powerful.</p><p></p><p>Dervish (CW)-Just gets a bunch of attacks, but watch synergy with other classes and stuff.</p><p></p><p>Frienzied Bezerker (CW)-Not even familiart with it, but I see it on enoug opimization threads to think it is a PrC to watch. </p><p></p><p>Halfling Outrider (CAdv?)-Can create a supermount. Really watch this one as your players could sneak it in on you if you aren't paying attention. Seems harmless at first...</p><p></p><p><u>Feats</u></p><p><u></u>Divine Metamagic (Persistent Spell)-Been talked about, but let me just reiterate the point about nightsticks from Libris Mortis. With a bunch of these, a Cleric can cast every buff he has and make them all persistent. And for the DM who says, "That's fine, let him use all of his buffs and then I can dispel them all at once," see my next idea.</p><p></p><p>Extraordinary Spell Aim (CAdv)-A gish using this with AMF is the ultimate tank. Another big problem with this is that it destroys any chance of balance for persistent spell. Even though many have pointed out how powerful PS is, the weakness is that it can alway s be dispelled and then you are SOL. Use a Persistent AMF with Extraordinary Spell aim though? Ouch.</p><p></p><p>Shock Trooper and Such-I'm not great with this one, but the whole 5/1 ratio of damage to BAB given up is something I've seen abused.</p><p></p><p>I'm sure I'm missing a few things here and there, but these are some good things to watch for. Also remember that they aren't "broken" (or at least some of them), they are just things you should keep an eye on. Sorry, but I don't want to list spells now. Maybe later.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gabrion, post: 2187954, member: 30779"] Just trying to think of a few things to watch out for in the Complete Series. Some of these have been covered, but I list them anyway, to add support! [u]Books[/u] Complete Divine-Yes the whole book. (I'm kinda joking, kinda not here) [u]PrCs[/u] Ur Priest (CD)-9th level spells in 10 levels, Turn undead (see discussion about divine metamagic persistent spell), and he can buy an efreeti bottle and steal the ability to wish 3xper day without spending XP. Must be evil though, so easy to deal with. Hulking Hurler (CW)-Can destroy the everything. Really. Fatespinner (CA)-Has been covered. Easy entry, reroll, and adding to Save DC make it really crazy good. Assassin type wizards will love it. Focluchan Lyrist (CAdv)-Not really broken cause of the requirements, but watch for players who try to get around them. They will try to learn druid from a druid they hook up with or use a ring of evasion to claim they have that ability. Say no. Even legit though, this class is pretty crazy. Sublime Chord (CA)-Not really broken either, but it has a fast caster progression, and when used with Ur Priest and Mystic Thergue or FL, it gets messy. I like it though. Helps the bard be cool. Radiant Servent of Pelor (CD)-I will repeat that this is better than the cleric in every way. Not anything to worry about though. Master Trans. (CA)-The tenth level ability of this class is amazing. Use it with Shapechange and you can become some amazing things. My favorite is to be a Chronotyryn with the attacks of a Maralith. Bunches of attacks in a round. Options with this class are way out their, so be careful. Effigy Master (CA)-Not really bad, but I have seen some ideas for effigies that are super powerful. Dervish (CW)-Just gets a bunch of attacks, but watch synergy with other classes and stuff. Frienzied Bezerker (CW)-Not even familiart with it, but I see it on enoug opimization threads to think it is a PrC to watch. Halfling Outrider (CAdv?)-Can create a supermount. Really watch this one as your players could sneak it in on you if you aren't paying attention. Seems harmless at first... [u]Feats [/u]Divine Metamagic (Persistent Spell)-Been talked about, but let me just reiterate the point about nightsticks from Libris Mortis. With a bunch of these, a Cleric can cast every buff he has and make them all persistent. And for the DM who says, "That's fine, let him use all of his buffs and then I can dispel them all at once," see my next idea. Extraordinary Spell Aim (CAdv)-A gish using this with AMF is the ultimate tank. Another big problem with this is that it destroys any chance of balance for persistent spell. Even though many have pointed out how powerful PS is, the weakness is that it can alway s be dispelled and then you are SOL. Use a Persistent AMF with Extraordinary Spell aim though? Ouch. Shock Trooper and Such-I'm not great with this one, but the whole 5/1 ratio of damage to BAB given up is something I've seen abused. I'm sure I'm missing a few things here and there, but these are some good things to watch for. Also remember that they aren't "broken" (or at least some of them), they are just things you should keep an eye on. Sorry, but I don't want to list spells now. Maybe later. [/QUOTE]
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