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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jdavis" data-source="post: 623970" data-attributes="member: 8704">I figure that Arwin will fill the role of her brothers and all the Rangers of the North (who will get cut out completly) and bring Aragorn the sword after the battle at Helm's Deep at Isengard. That is where that scene fits and that is most likely where she will show up. If she had shown up at Helm's Deep I probably would of gotten up and walked out, not because I don't like her or because I think she is getting too much time but because that is just too big a change to what happened in the books, not to mention it would of totally ruined the Aragorn/ Eowin relationship (one of my favorite parts of the books) well before it was supposed to be resolved. Arwin would of been a needless distraction to a already overly busy part of the movie. She will probably get 5 minutes or so of her delivering the sword at the start of ROTK that will be dedicated to advancing the love story and will not have all the other distractions going on around it. And I do feel that the way he left it was as 100% cliffhanger for the start of the 3rd movie. People who never read the books are now wondering if she left and Aragorn will "hook up" with Eowin. I didn't care for the Elrond scenes not for how he interacted with Arwin but how he interacted with Galadriel, it made her look like she was subordinate to him and asking him for advice, shouldn't he be asking her for advice? As far as Gandalf is concerned, I am not sure why that bothers you so much, I saw it as "Oh Gandalf's back." and went on, people I went to the movie with that had never read the book thought that he didn't die, that he was going to die but was saved/ willed himself not to die. I understand what you are saying and I can see your point but I didn't see how it would of affected most of th audience like that (You have to remember the vast majority of the people out there, including most of the casual "I read that book when I was little" people don't have a clue that Sauron and Gandalf are in any way related at all. You have to dig sort of deep to learn all that.) Most people won't have any confusion due to the fact that they don't know why it would be confusing and the die hard fans of Tolkien know better. Gandalf could of just said " Oh I won, and I got Saruman's job title (and color) now, he got fired from the Wizards order". That's how most people took it anyway. I'm not saying this trying to be a ass, it's basically what I got from people who I talked to that never read the books. Gandalf didn't die after all and now he is the head of the wizards order instead of Saruman. If he had tried to go any deeper then he would of started to confuse people.</blockquote>

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