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<blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 3116774" data-attributes="member: 2020"><p>Hold up there. Let's not go off in that direction. This is ENWorld, and it could get this thread closed. (You know how sensitive the moderators are here to anything that could be considered political, and indeed political = trouble so they are quite right to suppress such talk, IMO.)</p><p></p><p> A more appropriate course, within the context of ENWorld's rules, would be to say that Harry Potter was born an OUTCAST. </p><p> Many children are born as outcasts, and grow up as outcasts.</p><p> Harry Potter can do magic (in our game, we'd call him a sorcerer with the ability to also be a wizard.) That sets him apart. That makes him different. In the eyes of Aunt Petunia, that makes him a freak. Sadly, there are so many correlations to this kind of thing In Real Life that th analogy fits all too well. And I think every 11 year old knows it well, and can easily recognize what Rowlings is doing.</p><p></p><p> Why don't we keep it on that tone? Let's avoid a subject that is basically verboten on ENWorld. We all get the picture that Harry Potter is an outcast.</p><p></p><p> (look of irritation)</p><p></p><p> Now, after what the Dursleys did to him, it would have been NICE if he had received more support at Hogwarts at the start, and later on.</p><p> By dark, I'm referring to the dark from Book One.</p><p> For example, you'd think McGonagall would have more brains and judgement. Instead, she ignores danger right in front of her. Harry, Hermione, and Ron lost all faith in her intelligence and judgement (with good reason) early on, were rebuked when they tried to obtain her help, and finally took saving Hogwarts and stopping Voldemort into their own hands. (A pitiful shame, that First Years had to stop Voldemort when a cadre of professionals was there who supposedly knew what they were doing. Of course, it made for a GREAT story, but again it reflects badly on McGonagall.)</p><p> Snape is ... well, when you give in to hatred, bad things happen. The Emperor in Return of the Jedi would have loved Snape (use your feelings, boy. Let the hate, flow through you!) In Snape's case, he is intelligent enough, but hatred has made an idiot out of him nonetheless.</p><p> Hagrid? Great guy. No problem there. The more Hagrid, the merrier. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p> Flickwick? Nice guy. I wish we could have seen more of him.</p><p> Hooch? Threatening to expel students for flying? Ok, why wasn't Draco Malfoy expelled? (and don't tell me she didn't know. Half the school witnessed and/or learned what happened.)</p><p> Sprout? Very neat character, very wizardry. No problem there.</p><p> Quirrel? Doing his job for Voldemort. No problem there. One of the most competent of the teachers, actually.</p><p></p><p> Dumdledore, nice guy. Archetypical nice old wizard. So why does he allow bullying, abuse, and general badness at the school? He is not omniscient, but he knows enough (he found Harry at the Mirror of Erised quickly enough) to know better.</p><p> Or does he believe mistreatment, abuse, and bullying builds character? Draco Malfoy believes that, but Draco Malfoy is honest about it.</p><p></p><p> And that's just Book One. The problems get worse, and the darkness deeper, in Book Two, and so on through Book Six.</p><p></p><p> If it had not been for his friendship with Ron and later Hermione, Harry would never have confronted Voldemort, Voldemort would have returned early, and finis Hogwart's and everyone else.</p><p> Then these people, the staff at Hogwarts and the Ministry of Magic, go around acting superior and like ingrates to the boys and girl who saved them. LOL. (Snape should have been on his knees thanking Harry from the end of Book One on (50 points to Gryffindor for this, 50 points to Gryffindor for that!) Or would he have have preferred the tender mercies of Voldemort? And Voldemort WOULD have seen a traitor for a traitor, which Snape was. We know all too well the painful fate Voldemort accords his own servants, much less traitors.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Edena_of_Neith, post: 3116774, member: 2020"] Hold up there. Let's not go off in that direction. This is ENWorld, and it could get this thread closed. (You know how sensitive the moderators are here to anything that could be considered political, and indeed political = trouble so they are quite right to suppress such talk, IMO.) A more appropriate course, within the context of ENWorld's rules, would be to say that Harry Potter was born an OUTCAST. Many children are born as outcasts, and grow up as outcasts. Harry Potter can do magic (in our game, we'd call him a sorcerer with the ability to also be a wizard.) That sets him apart. That makes him different. In the eyes of Aunt Petunia, that makes him a freak. Sadly, there are so many correlations to this kind of thing In Real Life that th analogy fits all too well. And I think every 11 year old knows it well, and can easily recognize what Rowlings is doing. Why don't we keep it on that tone? Let's avoid a subject that is basically verboten on ENWorld. We all get the picture that Harry Potter is an outcast. (look of irritation) Now, after what the Dursleys did to him, it would have been NICE if he had received more support at Hogwarts at the start, and later on. By dark, I'm referring to the dark from Book One. For example, you'd think McGonagall would have more brains and judgement. Instead, she ignores danger right in front of her. Harry, Hermione, and Ron lost all faith in her intelligence and judgement (with good reason) early on, were rebuked when they tried to obtain her help, and finally took saving Hogwarts and stopping Voldemort into their own hands. (A pitiful shame, that First Years had to stop Voldemort when a cadre of professionals was there who supposedly knew what they were doing. Of course, it made for a GREAT story, but again it reflects badly on McGonagall.) Snape is ... well, when you give in to hatred, bad things happen. The Emperor in Return of the Jedi would have loved Snape (use your feelings, boy. Let the hate, flow through you!) In Snape's case, he is intelligent enough, but hatred has made an idiot out of him nonetheless. Hagrid? Great guy. No problem there. The more Hagrid, the merrier. :) Flickwick? Nice guy. I wish we could have seen more of him. Hooch? Threatening to expel students for flying? Ok, why wasn't Draco Malfoy expelled? (and don't tell me she didn't know. Half the school witnessed and/or learned what happened.) Sprout? Very neat character, very wizardry. No problem there. Quirrel? Doing his job for Voldemort. No problem there. One of the most competent of the teachers, actually. Dumdledore, nice guy. Archetypical nice old wizard. So why does he allow bullying, abuse, and general badness at the school? He is not omniscient, but he knows enough (he found Harry at the Mirror of Erised quickly enough) to know better. Or does he believe mistreatment, abuse, and bullying builds character? Draco Malfoy believes that, but Draco Malfoy is honest about it. And that's just Book One. The problems get worse, and the darkness deeper, in Book Two, and so on through Book Six. If it had not been for his friendship with Ron and later Hermione, Harry would never have confronted Voldemort, Voldemort would have returned early, and finis Hogwart's and everyone else. Then these people, the staff at Hogwarts and the Ministry of Magic, go around acting superior and like ingrates to the boys and girl who saved them. LOL. (Snape should have been on his knees thanking Harry from the end of Book One on (50 points to Gryffindor for this, 50 points to Gryffindor for that!) Or would he have have preferred the tender mercies of Voldemort? And Voldemort WOULD have seen a traitor for a traitor, which Snape was. We know all too well the painful fate Voldemort accords his own servants, much less traitors.) [/QUOTE]
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