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[SPOILERS] Angel Episode 1/28/2004: "Damage"
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<blockquote data-quote="zyzzyr" data-source="post: 1340377" data-attributes="member: 1867"><p>Spike could not have come on the show and just been one of the ensemble. Come on, two vampires with souls -- and they hate each other? They're both dealing with it differently? *Especially* when the entire premise of the show began with "there's this vampire with a soul, see, and he feels real bad about what he's done ..."</p><p></p><p>I thought last night's episode was quite good. </p><p></p><p>I am not surprised at all that Buffy et. al. no longer trust Angel. It's not necessarily that they think he's evil, but he clearly works for an evil corporation (the "zero tolerance" policy is only about evil on personal time). They're doing some good, and less evil, but still have lots of evil clients. And Buffy doesn't know if Angel is being manipulated, or that the Sr. partners might step in and take the Slayer away. I mean, really, would *you* want Wolfram and Hart, even under new management, to get their hands on a psychotic slayer?</p><p></p><p>Spike's storyline is "set up" for the rest of the year now. He's now "thinking about the nature of evil", which means he'll probably also "think about the nature of good". Spike will finally be doing good deeds for their own sake, which is a *huge* change in the character. It also fits in well with a certain someone's plans.</p><p></p><p>So since he's set up now for the rest of the season, I expect the show will go back to ensemble pieces for the next little while. </p><p></p><p>The biggest surprise to me this season is that I think Fred interacts with Spike and Harmony better than any of the other cast members. I thought the Fred/Harmony bit in "In Harm's Way" was excellent. And clearly there's at least some sort of interesting spark between Fred and Spike.</p><p></p><p>Wesley had a bit, though, with his father. Lorne had a bit with his sleep being removed. Fred and Gunn are the two that are farthest out.</p><p></p><p>I think it's actually interesting that they avoid following the ensemble for a while. They can use this to their advantage by suddenly showing Wes & Gunn making *very* questionable decisions. Angel, having had his mind on other things, would probably be surprised as he didn't know how far his team has slid.</p><p></p><p>The biggest questions remaining to me are: </p><p></p><p>1) which one of the team will slip too far? (Personally I'd rather see Gunn go too far -- but not because of the upload, because of choice. More interesting, but probably least likely).</p><p></p><p>2) Will the Angel'd Wolfram & Hart come into conflict with the new Slayer posse and find themselves on opposite sides?</p><p></p><p>3) Why does Lindsay want to confuse the Sr. partners as to who fulfills Shansu?</p><p></p><p>LightPhoenix:</p><p></p><p>Andrew's name was mentioned at the very beginning -- when Spike came in and said "Andrew!" He also had his name written on his lunch bag (along with the British flag)</p><p></p><p>I wouldn't say that a real crazy person would have offed Spike right away -- I don't think you can expect predictability from someone who is insane. It's just as believable that she wanted the guy to suffer first, and then off him.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="zyzzyr, post: 1340377, member: 1867"] Spike could not have come on the show and just been one of the ensemble. Come on, two vampires with souls -- and they hate each other? They're both dealing with it differently? *Especially* when the entire premise of the show began with "there's this vampire with a soul, see, and he feels real bad about what he's done ..." I thought last night's episode was quite good. I am not surprised at all that Buffy et. al. no longer trust Angel. It's not necessarily that they think he's evil, but he clearly works for an evil corporation (the "zero tolerance" policy is only about evil on personal time). They're doing some good, and less evil, but still have lots of evil clients. And Buffy doesn't know if Angel is being manipulated, or that the Sr. partners might step in and take the Slayer away. I mean, really, would *you* want Wolfram and Hart, even under new management, to get their hands on a psychotic slayer? Spike's storyline is "set up" for the rest of the year now. He's now "thinking about the nature of evil", which means he'll probably also "think about the nature of good". Spike will finally be doing good deeds for their own sake, which is a *huge* change in the character. It also fits in well with a certain someone's plans. So since he's set up now for the rest of the season, I expect the show will go back to ensemble pieces for the next little while. The biggest surprise to me this season is that I think Fred interacts with Spike and Harmony better than any of the other cast members. I thought the Fred/Harmony bit in "In Harm's Way" was excellent. And clearly there's at least some sort of interesting spark between Fred and Spike. Wesley had a bit, though, with his father. Lorne had a bit with his sleep being removed. Fred and Gunn are the two that are farthest out. I think it's actually interesting that they avoid following the ensemble for a while. They can use this to their advantage by suddenly showing Wes & Gunn making *very* questionable decisions. Angel, having had his mind on other things, would probably be surprised as he didn't know how far his team has slid. The biggest questions remaining to me are: 1) which one of the team will slip too far? (Personally I'd rather see Gunn go too far -- but not because of the upload, because of choice. More interesting, but probably least likely). 2) Will the Angel'd Wolfram & Hart come into conflict with the new Slayer posse and find themselves on opposite sides? 3) Why does Lindsay want to confuse the Sr. partners as to who fulfills Shansu? LightPhoenix: Andrew's name was mentioned at the very beginning -- when Spike came in and said "Andrew!" He also had his name written on his lunch bag (along with the British flag) I wouldn't say that a real crazy person would have offed Spike right away -- I don't think you can expect predictability from someone who is insane. It's just as believable that she wanted the guy to suffer first, and then off him. [/QUOTE]
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