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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 1340484" data-attributes="member: 158">I'll weigh in and say VERY good episode. Not the best ever, but it was very solid, and offered much to think about.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Spike and Angel: many people have been wondering about why Angel still feels tortured and Spike's sorta "over it" with getting his soul, and this last five minutes of Angel and Spike talking really emphasize it: Angel had a LOT invested in his victims, where Spike did not. I thought this interaction was quite cool. The line that sticks with me was: "She's a monster now, herself." "Spike, she's an innocent victim." "So were we, once upon a time." Anyone catch what Angel said back after that? </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">How far the group has slid. As I said once before last year, the group is going to face someone on what they THOUGHT was the same side of the Fence - I just had no idea it would be Buffy's Slayers! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> If Angel was pensive before, he's got to be reeling inside at the thought that Buffy no longer trusts him at all. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Dana's torture of Spike - I don't think it was contrived - she was living out a fantasy where she had the power, not to kill, but to make her tormentor live out the things he did to her - but in reversed roles. The drugging and "you'll never touch me again" gives us a very painful picture of drugging and abuse that is too sick to write out here. Killing him would have been FAR too quick for the months of hell still replaying itself daily in her mind. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Andrew made me laugh all the way through. Mainly because I was familiar with him from the Buffy episodes, but his evolution is great to see. I REALLY hope they keep him around in guest appearances, because he's got a road of salvation to walk, himself - just not as dramatic as Angel's or Spike's. I was almost to the point of tears (of laughter, that is) looking at James Marster's face as Andrew is doing his whole Gandalf/Frodo spiel. The mix of "bloody hell" embarrassment, agitation, and still letting him finish, was priceless. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Gunn's progression to scuzzy lawyer is looking nastier all the time. He plays GOLF now? Gunn? The man whose best friend was 4 pasty white demon-hunters and a nasty axe? Who lived for the killing? I know he wanted to be useful, but he didn't jsut get law knowledge - he's sold his soul, and I don't necessarily mean the whole "contract" thing. I mean he's given up who he was inside for being the smoothest badassed lawyer on the west coast. Not only would his old gang no longer recognize him, neither would Gwen (electro-girl), or anyone else? Fred I'm glad to see commented on it, but she should have said something long before now. Speaking of aloofness, It's almost as if their romantic "thing" never happened! That point has been bugging me more and more this season.</li> </ul>Anyway, to summarize, great episode, a lot to think about, and more to digest in waiting for CORDELIA next week!!!!</blockquote>

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