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<blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 1288633" data-attributes="member: 1194"><p>Finally got to see RotK:</p><p></p><p>Thoughts: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Smeagol was a bit too much like Gollum to begin with for my tastes, and Deagol and Smeagol were too cartoony as well.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I'm surprised noone's mentioned the horrendously obvious stand-ins this go-round. In at least 5 occasions, I noticed that the stand-ins for the hobbits were being shown on film, not the actors. The way they walked, their hair - one or 2 times they showed the stand-in's FACE!<br /> Boo. :thumbsdown:<br /> I hope they digitally correct those scenes for the EE. It threw me out of the scene every time 'some short dude' was shown as a Hobbit.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I didn't buy the orcs conveniently fighting and killing each other (almost) to the last man to allow Sam to waltz into the teeth of Mordor unmolested.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">They SHOULD have explained Denethor's behavior. Him having and using a Palantir is too important to leave out. His behavior doesn't make sense based solely on the movie.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Denethor couldn't have been put out the way he was ("Rohan Betrayed me!") if he was against the lighting of the fires.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Shore where Bilbo and Frodo get on the boat seemed awfully "built-up" and constructed to me. I never pictured the dock being that big and established, with a city around. Always thought it was more arboreal.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">They missed an unbelievably important line about Eowyn that would have wrapped up her movie story:<br /> When Theoden was dying, he has something like, "I go to meet my ancestors in the Great Hall - I am not ashamed at joining them, blah blah..."<br /> <em>All he had to add there was something like, "We will be waiting for you to join us when your day comes."</em><br /> That line would have accomplished 3 things:<br /> 1) It would have added emotional resonance to the father/daughter scene.<br /> 2) It would have payed off the scenes that they had built up Eowyn's character wanting (more than anything) "glory and renown".<br /> 3) It would have further cemented the 'heroic' ideal' that the movies spent time creating - that all these great stories, with people heroically dying for noble causes, etc etc etc.</li> </ul><p>Of all the nitpicks, I'm flabbergasted that the writer's missed the Eowyn line of her joining the heroes of their people.</p><p>It was RIGHT THERE in front of them and they missed it. In fact, it was SO there, I thought (when watching the scene) that it had almost been telegraphed with TTT Eowyn scenes and the 'heroic story' sub-plot.</p><p>It's like they set the ball up on a Tee, and then whiffed the swing.</p><p></p><p>Things I had no problem whatsoever with: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Legolas vs the Oliphant. Not cheezy. Very cool.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sauron's spotlight. Not cheesy. How else would you want it to be shown?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What's so wrong about the "Arwen being linked to the fate of Middle Earth" bit? I'm not seeing how that's so bad - it's just one small dialogue trying to involve a character that couldn't be present.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I'm glad they didn't show The Scouring of the Shire.</li> </ul><p>Other than the first list of things, I thought the movie was amazing. Easily the best movie ever made, and I say that with no hyperbole or overblown intent.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="reapersaurus, post: 1288633, member: 1194"] Finally got to see RotK: Thoughts:[list] [*]Smeagol was a bit too much like Gollum to begin with for my tastes, and Deagol and Smeagol were too cartoony as well. [*]I'm surprised noone's mentioned the horrendously obvious stand-ins this go-round. In at least 5 occasions, I noticed that the stand-ins for the hobbits were being shown on film, not the actors. The way they walked, their hair - one or 2 times they showed the stand-in's FACE! Boo. :thumbsdown: I hope they digitally correct those scenes for the EE. It threw me out of the scene every time 'some short dude' was shown as a Hobbit. [*]I didn't buy the orcs conveniently fighting and killing each other (almost) to the last man to allow Sam to waltz into the teeth of Mordor unmolested. [*]They SHOULD have explained Denethor's behavior. Him having and using a Palantir is too important to leave out. His behavior doesn't make sense based solely on the movie. [*]Denethor couldn't have been put out the way he was ("Rohan Betrayed me!") if he was against the lighting of the fires. [*]The Shore where Bilbo and Frodo get on the boat seemed awfully "built-up" and constructed to me. I never pictured the dock being that big and established, with a city around. Always thought it was more arboreal. [*]They missed an unbelievably important line about Eowyn that would have wrapped up her movie story: When Theoden was dying, he has something like, "I go to meet my ancestors in the Great Hall - I am not ashamed at joining them, blah blah..." [i]All he had to add there was something like, "We will be waiting for you to join us when your day comes."[/i] That line would have accomplished 3 things: 1) It would have added emotional resonance to the father/daughter scene. 2) It would have payed off the scenes that they had built up Eowyn's character wanting (more than anything) "glory and renown". 3) It would have further cemented the 'heroic' ideal' that the movies spent time creating - that all these great stories, with people heroically dying for noble causes, etc etc etc.[/list] Of all the nitpicks, I'm flabbergasted that the writer's missed the Eowyn line of her joining the heroes of their people. It was RIGHT THERE in front of them and they missed it. In fact, it was SO there, I thought (when watching the scene) that it had almost been telegraphed with TTT Eowyn scenes and the 'heroic story' sub-plot. It's like they set the ball up on a Tee, and then whiffed the swing. Things I had no problem whatsoever with:[list][*]Legolas vs the Oliphant. Not cheezy. Very cool. [*]Sauron's spotlight. Not cheesy. How else would you want it to be shown? [*]What's so wrong about the "Arwen being linked to the fate of Middle Earth" bit? I'm not seeing how that's so bad - it's just one small dialogue trying to involve a character that couldn't be present. [*]I'm glad they didn't show The Scouring of the Shire.[/list]Other than the first list of things, I thought the movie was amazing. Easily the best movie ever made, and I say that with no hyperbole or overblown intent. [/QUOTE]
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