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Message: <blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 1289653" data-attributes="member: 1194">First off, those were my personal feelings about the MOVIE.It's been a long time since I read the books, so don't read my points as anything but a critique of the movie.If you want to discuss the books (and my belief that they are VERY flawed), we would have to start a seperate thread, and I'd have to read the books again (no time). About the orcs killing EVERYONE off (except 4), yes - it's stupid and doesn't work in the book as well if that's the way it exactly goes down. Does Sam just waltz right into the fortress, or does he use the Ring in the book?About the missed line re: Eowyn-I think we should first decide whether to couch the discussion in the context of the movies, or the books.Because unless I'm mistaken, just about everything you responded was in the context of the books, NOT the movie.As I saw it, your interpretation is not correct with regards to Eowyn from what's presented in the movie.The movies were quite clear about heroes performing heroic actions in defense of what's Good.The movies were also clear that Eowyn yearned for a chance to prove herself on the battlefield and earn renown. They never showed what you described that I saw. They even showed her "Father" (I know he isn't her direct father, but I used "Father/Daughter" for ease of typing) repeatedly being concerned over his legacy, playing the hero role, Glory, etc.I assume you watched the movies closely, so I'm confused how your reading of Eowyn's character can be so different from mine.In the movies I saw, she DIDN'T accept her duty - she reluctantly didn't fulfill her father's wishes of her being a Courtier/Political Leader and instead "quested for glory and renown" - not just for renown's sake, but because she firmly believed that to save what she loved, and defend herself, she had to go to war.This was made quite clear in TTT with her line of (clumsily paraphrased) "Long ago women of the Rohan learned that not knowing how to use a sword won't stop you from dying on one."Further, she didn't HAVE to give up her desire for renown in the movie - she GOT IT.That's the purpose for my suggested line. To echo the quite-clear subplot (to me) in memorable words directly from her "Father" as he's dying, in the middle of the battlefield. It was set up for the line, they just missed it.And so did you.The movies are NOT the books, guys.And thank goodness for that.</blockquote>

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