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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 1290353" data-attributes="member: 307">In the books, Sam uses the ring, but doesn't kill many orcs doing so. The orcs kill each other off. They were orcs from two different groups (some were orcs from Minas Morgul, and some were orcs from Barad-Dur) and they fight over Frodo's belongings. By the time Sam gets into the tower, all but a handful are dead, and Sam mops up. Effectively, the sequence in the movie is virtually identical to the sequence in the books, which works okay, since it is established that orcs do that sort of thing.Umm, no. The line I quoted from Arargon was in the movie TTT, not the book. There are several points in the movies where the responsibility of duty is emphasized. Most of the heroes in the movie aren't hoping for glory and renown, especially not Theoden, who is convinced that everyone is going to die and there aren't going to be any more songs anyway. They do what they do because they are convinced that it is their responsibility to do so.You didn't watch the movies very closely then.No, the movies were quite clear about doing one's duty. Every hero in the movie is doing what he does ultimately because he believes it is the right thing to do. Aragorn accepts the responsibility of kingship, Theoden accepts the duty to protect his people and come to Gondor's aid, Faramir accepts his duty to obey his father's wishes, Gandalf accepts his responsibility to rally the people's of Middle Earth. Those who shirk their duty, lose. Boromir swears an oath to protect Frodo and betrays it, and dies. Saruman betrays his duty to oppose Sauron, and is replaced and defeated. All of this is in the movies.Except that Theoden is explicitly not concerned about his legacy, because he thinks that everyone is going to die. Thus there will be no legacy. He says this on multiple occassions in the movies. His is concerned about whether he has done the right thing, since he will be judged in the afterlife. Not about glory and renown, but about duty.Eowyn's quest for glory is counter to the actions of the other characters. Theoden goes to battle because he believes it his responsibility to do so, and he says this. Eowyn goes to battle for selfish personal reasons.But that would be reqarding her for doing something that is not right. Everyone else goes to battle for duty's sake. She goes to battle for personal glory. She's in the wrong there, Theoden isn't going to reward her by talking about how she has won glory, especially since he dies thinking that no one is getting glory, only duty and death. You should review the movies, since you clearly missed the point of many characters.</blockquote>

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