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<blockquote data-quote="kengar" data-source="post: 1296340" data-attributes="member: 3230"><p>This is a trickier question than it might first seem. I can give you my resaoning based upon personal perception after having seen the movies and read the books many times (only twice for ROTK film though <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ). As far as Bilbo is concerned, Sauron wasn't calling to the Ring for most of the time that Bilbo had it. Nor was he -at that point- aware of hobbits or the Shire. When Frodo got the Ring, things were already in motion: Gollum's capture in Mordor, Sauron gathering his strength, etc. </p><p></p><p>Another thing to keep in mind is that Frodo & Bilbo were essentially "good" people. They not only were harder to corrupt because of their decent natures, but they also weren't ambitous or puissant the way a Gandalf or Boromir might be. They never <em>tried</em> to do anything particularly powerful with Ring, so its corrupting influence had a harder time taking hold. Smeagol was a sneaky so-and-so before he ever got the Ring, so he was more easily corrupted. In the books, Deagol really didn't put up much of a fight, Smeagol just killed him and took the Ring. In the end, though, the Ring finally managed to beat down Frodo's resistance and bend him to its will.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There is mention that many of the orcs are from different tribes/regions and therefore speak Westron (Common) to one another when mixed together. As far as the elves, I agree that them speaking "human" to each other was slightly silly, but perhaps PJ didn't want certain scenes' poignancy to be diluted by the audience having to reading subtitles. Also, Elvish is not a "complete" languages, iirc. The limits of grammar and vocabulary might have limited dialogue options. I'm no expert on Sindarin/Quenya, though.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In the books (and I assume the EE) Gandalf parleys with Saruman in an attempt to bring him back to the good side and help them v. Sauron. Wormtongue throws the palantir out the window (not realizing what it is) at Gandalf. In the theatre, I think what we see is the begnning and very end of that sequence. Minus the conversation and the throw.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kengar, post: 1296340, member: 3230"] This is a trickier question than it might first seem. I can give you my resaoning based upon personal perception after having seen the movies and read the books many times (only twice for ROTK film though :) ). As far as Bilbo is concerned, Sauron wasn't calling to the Ring for most of the time that Bilbo had it. Nor was he -at that point- aware of hobbits or the Shire. When Frodo got the Ring, things were already in motion: Gollum's capture in Mordor, Sauron gathering his strength, etc. Another thing to keep in mind is that Frodo & Bilbo were essentially "good" people. They not only were harder to corrupt because of their decent natures, but they also weren't ambitous or puissant the way a Gandalf or Boromir might be. They never [i]tried[/i] to do anything particularly powerful with Ring, so its corrupting influence had a harder time taking hold. Smeagol was a sneaky so-and-so before he ever got the Ring, so he was more easily corrupted. In the books, Deagol really didn't put up much of a fight, Smeagol just killed him and took the Ring. In the end, though, the Ring finally managed to beat down Frodo's resistance and bend him to its will. There is mention that many of the orcs are from different tribes/regions and therefore speak Westron (Common) to one another when mixed together. As far as the elves, I agree that them speaking "human" to each other was slightly silly, but perhaps PJ didn't want certain scenes' poignancy to be diluted by the audience having to reading subtitles. Also, Elvish is not a "complete" languages, iirc. The limits of grammar and vocabulary might have limited dialogue options. I'm no expert on Sindarin/Quenya, though. In the books (and I assume the EE) Gandalf parleys with Saruman in an attempt to bring him back to the good side and help them v. Sauron. Wormtongue throws the palantir out the window (not realizing what it is) at Gandalf. In the theatre, I think what we see is the begnning and very end of that sequence. Minus the conversation and the throw. [/QUOTE]
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