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<blockquote data-quote="Shadowdancer" data-source="post: 1302061" data-attributes="member: 515">She never says she is after glory.&nbsp;In the first speech mentioned, Aragorn asks her what she fears. Eowyn anwers &quot;A cage. To stay behind bars until use and old age accept them. And all chance of valor has gone beyond recall or desire.&quot;&nbsp;Valor is not the same as glory.&nbsp;Later, at Helm's Deep, she is upset about having to go to the cave with those who can't fight. She says, &quot;There is no renown in that.&quot; To which Aragorn says, &quot;There may yet come a time for valor without renown,&quot; meaning she might have to fight the Urik-hai if they break through the defenses and reach the caves.&nbsp;Renown is the same as glory, but she doesn't say she is seeking it. It is implied, yet it is also understandable -- to me, at least -- that she is upset, and might be saying something she doesn't truly mean.&nbsp;There are three ways to know someone, whether they are a real person or a fictional character: by what they say, by what others say about them, and by what they do. On only one occassion does Eowyn mention &quot;renown&quot; in connection with being allowed to fight. No one in any of the movies ever says anything along the lines of &quot;That Eowyn -- she's a glory hound&quot; or &quot;She only wants to fight so she can grab some glory for herself.&quot; And none of her actions in the movies indicate she is a glory hound. There's just one mention of renown, made in the heat of the moment, when she is upset.&nbsp;To me, that's not enough to brand her as someone interested only in obtaining glory for herself.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shadowdancer, post: 1302061, member: 515"] She never says she is after glory. In the first speech mentioned, Aragorn asks her what she fears. Eowyn anwers "A cage. To stay behind bars until use and old age accept them. And all chance of valor has gone beyond recall or desire." Valor is not the same as glory. Later, at Helm's Deep, she is upset about having to go to the cave with those who can't fight. She says, "There is no renown in that." To which Aragorn says, "There may yet come a time for valor without renown," meaning she might have to fight the Urik-hai if they break through the defenses and reach the caves. Renown is the same as glory, but she doesn't say she is seeking it. It is implied, yet it is also understandable -- to me, at least -- that she is upset, and might be saying something she doesn't truly mean. There are three ways to know someone, whether they are a real person or a fictional character: by what they say, by what others say about them, and by what they do. On only one occassion does Eowyn mention "renown" in connection with being allowed to fight. No one in any of the movies ever says anything along the lines of "That Eowyn -- she's a glory hound" or "She only wants to fight so she can grab some glory for herself." And none of her actions in the movies indicate she is a glory hound. There's just one mention of renown, made in the heat of the moment, when she is upset. To me, that's not enough to brand her as someone interested only in obtaining glory for herself. [/QUOTE]

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