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<blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 1315718" data-attributes="member: 307"><p></p><p></p><p>Except she does. You just, for some reason, choose to believe that her stated desire for glory means something other than that.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, pretty much it is in this context. She wants to be allowed to fight. She desires to shed the responsibilities of duty that she is surrounded with. The responsibilities of being a replacement queen for the Rohirrim and the attendant duties that go with that. Seeking valor, and eschewing duty, is the very core of seeking personal glory.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>So, when you say that she doesn't say that she wants it, you mean that you believe that her statement that she desires glory (in the form of reknown) doesn't count because of your entirely unsupported assumption that she means something different than she actually says.</p><p></p><p>Right. That's not a very convincing argument. Especially since there is no <em>other</em> instance in the movies in which Eowyn says something that isn't what she means.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>For a character with as few lines as she has, that's plenty. And I disagree. The "I fear a cage" speech also gives light on this character trait of hers.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yet they continually talk about how she should accept her duty and <em>not</em> seek out battle for herself. They don't talk about Eowyn as being a glory hound, because until she disobeys her uncle and abandons her responsibilities to (secretly) join in the ride to Minas Tirith, she actually does what she is supposed to do. After the battle, she has no scenes until after the war is over, and no dialogue in that one, so we don't see the aftermath of her decision being discussed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Other than, for example, abandoning her responsibilities to join in battle so that she can win some personal glory. You know, instead of doing her duty and not getting the flashy credit, she chooses to disobey her uncle, abandon her post, and seek out renown.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Storm Raven, post: 1315718, member: 307"] [b][/b] Except she does. You just, for some reason, choose to believe that her stated desire for glory means something other than that. Yeah, pretty much it is in this context. She wants to be allowed to fight. She desires to shed the responsibilities of duty that she is surrounded with. The responsibilities of being a replacement queen for the Rohirrim and the attendant duties that go with that. Seeking valor, and eschewing duty, is the very core of seeking personal glory. So, when you say that she doesn't say that she wants it, you mean that you believe that her statement that she desires glory (in the form of reknown) doesn't count because of your entirely unsupported assumption that she means something different than she actually says. Right. That's not a very convincing argument. Especially since there is no [i]other[/i] instance in the movies in which Eowyn says something that isn't what she means. For a character with as few lines as she has, that's plenty. And I disagree. The "I fear a cage" speech also gives light on this character trait of hers. Yet they continually talk about how she should accept her duty and [i]not[/i] seek out battle for herself. They don't talk about Eowyn as being a glory hound, because until she disobeys her uncle and abandons her responsibilities to (secretly) join in the ride to Minas Tirith, she actually does what she is supposed to do. After the battle, she has no scenes until after the war is over, and no dialogue in that one, so we don't see the aftermath of her decision being discussed. [b][/b] Other than, for example, abandoning her responsibilities to join in battle so that she can win some personal glory. You know, instead of doing her duty and not getting the flashy credit, she chooses to disobey her uncle, abandon her post, and seek out renown. [/QUOTE]
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