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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1777493" data-attributes="member: 478"><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=101990" target="_blank">THIS</a> thread in the rules forum about spontaneous metamagic got me thinking, how a balanced (IMHO <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />) system could look like, which would give a bit more benefit to metamagic, make it more useful for prepared casters, but not favor prepared casters over spontaneous casters.How about this (based on the UA daily uses spontaneous metamagic variant)?Metamagic feats can be applied spontaneously a number of times per day, even for prepared casters, without the need for a higher spell slot for the metamagicked spell. This replaced their standard usage. All the necessary decisions are made during the casting of the spell. There is no increase in casting time for spontaneous casters anymore and they can use Quicken Spell just fine. When using variable metamagic feats, like Heighten Spell or Fortify Spell, the caster can set the spell level modifier as needed; there is usually no reason not to set it at the maximum possible for the spell in question, but in some cases, especially when applying multiple metamagic feats (see below), it might be necessary to choose a lower modifier to apply.Every metamagic feat can be used a specified number of times per day, which depends on the modifier, which the metamagic in question applies to the spell level normally (i.e. +2 for Empower Spell).Spontaneous casters (Clerics and Druids or other classes which normally prepare spells, but also have limited spontaneous casting ability (also from feats like Spontaneous Healer), do not qualify, unless they have levels in a (real) spontaneous spellcasting class (i.e. Bard, Sorcerer, Favored Soul, Spirit Shaman)) gain additional (+50% roughly) daily uses; these additional uses can only be applied to spells cast spontaneously, if they can cast both prepared and spontaneous spells. Variable modifier feats, like Heighten Spell or Fortify Spell are assumed to be in the "+2 to +3" spell level modifier category to obtain their daily uses.+6 to ** -- 1/day (+1/day for spontaneous casters)+4 to +5 -- 2/day (+1/day for spontaneous casters)+2 to +3 -- 3/day (+2/day for spontaneous casters)+0 to +1 -- 6/day (+3/day for spontaneous casters)The maximum spell level, which the metamagic can be applied to is equal to the highest available spell level (i.e. 5th for a 9th level wizard) minus a number of levels equal to the modifier normally applied by the metamagic in question (i.e. -2 levels for Empower Spell). Thus, a 9th level wizard could empower a 3rd level spell, but not a 4th level spell.If multiple different metamagic feats are applied to the same spell, the sum of the spell level modifiers is used instead to obtain the maximum spell level, which the feats can be applied to; however, there is a discount (applied to this sum of modifiers) on using multiple metamagic feats equal to -1 for every metamagic feat beyond the first, with at least a +1 spell level modifier (+0 modifier feats do not figure in at all to derive this discount on multiple metamagic feats). For example, a 9th level wizard would be able to cast an energy affinity (+0), silent (+1), still (+1 -1 discount), empowered (+2 -1 discount), maximized (+3 -1 discount) 1st level spell, if the character has all those feats.Metamagic rods work in exactly the same way (most importantly have the same spell level limit), but the number of uses is always 3/day as normal, since the cost already covers the different spell level modifiers, and only one metamagic rod can be used at a time.Prestige class abilities, like the Instant Metamagic ability of the Incantatrix, or the Sudden Metamagic feats remain unchanged and can still be applied to even the highest spell levels. When applied to an already metamagicked spell, work out the sum and the discount for applying multiple metamagic feats (see above) as normal without taking these into consideration; they are applied seperately and in addition to whatever metamagic feats are already used during the spellcasting. The much lower number of daily uses and the higher cost to obtain these abilities makes up for this advantage.So, what do you think about this?ByeThanee</blockquote>

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