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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1777812" data-attributes="member: 478">That's the whole point. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />80% of the metamagic feats out there are just plain weak.And metamagic rods become weaker than now, thus making the feats preferable choices over the rods, especially for wizards. Right now, there is almost no reason for a wizard to pick the feat over the rod (even if it is read in the more strict way, that it has to be used during preparation, not during casting).Also, it makes the weaker of the feats a lot better. Silent and Still Spell become decent feat choices that way, I think, even for a wizard who normally has almost no use for them, especially if you have other metamagic feats as well, since then you can apply them for free in conjunction thanks to the discount rule.About the discount... I don't really see a problem there, not even with Empower + Maximize (which would be a total of +4 instead of +5). You're in most cases better off casting an empowered or maximized spell of a higher level, instead of a weaker spell with both metamagics applied.Altho, it is not something I'm terribly affixed to, I just think it limits the quite heavy diminishing returns of stacked metamagic a bit. It might get too good with Improved Metamagic, havn't put much thought into this combination. Anyways, that part could be easily removed without affecting the remainder of the house rule.The biggest impact (apart from spontaneous application for prepared casters) certainly is, that you don't need higher level spell slots to apply the metamagic. This makes the lower level spells more useful than they are now, while retaining the power of the high level slots. Honestly, a metamagicked spell cannot normally compete with a spell of the modified spell level. That's one of the primary reasons, that wizards do not use metamagic much (other than the rods), since they can (in most cases) simply pick up a higher level spell to achieve what they are looking for. Therefore only Quicken Spell is really good for wizards, as it adds something they cannot achieve that way, and Silent Spell is somewhat useful, if they want to prepare an emergency spell to get out of really tight situations (i.e. Pin, or Grapple+Silence).Well, might consider to lower the number of uses per day slightly (put up alternate numbers above), but 1/day is clearly not enough. Who would waste a feat on an Empower 1/day useable on your 3rd highest spell level only? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />ByeThanee</blockquote>

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