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<blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1779350" data-attributes="member: 478"><p>Well, it's not like this is a change to the core rules. It's a variant similar to the one officially presented in the UA, which I believe is not very balanced (since it gives the same benefit to both types of casters and no extra benefit to spontaneous casters).</p><p></p><p>The big problem with metamagic is, that for prepared casters most of the feats are never worth it (see above explanation), since they can learn higher level spells instead.</p><p></p><p>Quicken is the biggest exception here. Even Empower/Maximize aren't particularily hot for a wizard (i.e. empowered Fireball is nice, but Firebrand is nice, too - a sorcerer cannot afford learning all those spells, but a wizard can), tho it is one of the best metamagic feats all around. Silent Spell is necessary only for Dimension Door and other than that also quite pointless for a wizard as is Still Spell. Still Spell for the sorcerer? Don't really know what that would be good for, maybe in a highly specialized situation, but then again, you don't have feats to waste for such occasions, really.</p><p></p><p>For a sorcerer some more of the feats are of good use, since they can apply them spontaneously, of course, and because it makes their lower level spells known somewhat useful later on, so they don't have to relearn everything every couple levels, like a wizard most certainly does.</p><p></p><p>I agree, that this spontanity is an advantage for the sorcerer, which is already well-covered (something they do not really address in UA), but I think giving them more uses out of those feats per day would also give them a similar advantage, while giving wizards more choice in useful feats, which in turn helps to create more diversity among the classes.</p><p></p><p>However, I feel, that without spontanity, metamagic becomes too unwieldy to be of much use, and it doesn't exactly feel right, that wizards are so terribly bad at using metamagic as they are now. It certainly doesn't feel right how metamagic rods are better than learned feats for wizards.</p><p></p><p>Bye</p><p>Thanee</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thanee, post: 1779350, member: 478"] Well, it's not like this is a change to the core rules. It's a variant similar to the one officially presented in the UA, which I believe is not very balanced (since it gives the same benefit to both types of casters and no extra benefit to spontaneous casters). The big problem with metamagic is, that for prepared casters most of the feats are never worth it (see above explanation), since they can learn higher level spells instead. Quicken is the biggest exception here. Even Empower/Maximize aren't particularily hot for a wizard (i.e. empowered Fireball is nice, but Firebrand is nice, too - a sorcerer cannot afford learning all those spells, but a wizard can), tho it is one of the best metamagic feats all around. Silent Spell is necessary only for Dimension Door and other than that also quite pointless for a wizard as is Still Spell. Still Spell for the sorcerer? Don't really know what that would be good for, maybe in a highly specialized situation, but then again, you don't have feats to waste for such occasions, really. For a sorcerer some more of the feats are of good use, since they can apply them spontaneously, of course, and because it makes their lower level spells known somewhat useful later on, so they don't have to relearn everything every couple levels, like a wizard most certainly does. I agree, that this spontanity is an advantage for the sorcerer, which is already well-covered (something they do not really address in UA), but I think giving them more uses out of those feats per day would also give them a similar advantage, while giving wizards more choice in useful feats, which in turn helps to create more diversity among the classes. However, I feel, that without spontanity, metamagic becomes too unwieldy to be of much use, and it doesn't exactly feel right, that wizards are so terribly bad at using metamagic as they are now. It certainly doesn't feel right how metamagic rods are better than learned feats for wizards. Bye Thanee [/QUOTE]
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