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<blockquote data-quote="wocky" data-source="post: 1566881" data-attributes="member: 11408"><p>The PHB seems to contradict the DMG (the SRD repeats the DMG text). Note the following:</p><p></p><p>PHB (p. 309): "An invisible creature gains a +40 bonus on Hide checks if immobile or a +20 bonus on Hide checks if moving. Locating the square an invisible creature occupies requires a Spot check (DC 40 if the creature is immobile, DC 20 if the creature moved during its last turn), modified by the appropriate factors (...)"</p><p></p><p>DMG (p. 295): "A creature can generally notice the presence of an active invisible creature within 30 feet with a DC 20 Spot Check. The observer gains a hunch that "there's something there" but can't see it or target it accurately with an attack. (...) [DC 30 if the creature is holding still, DC 40 if it's completely immobile]. It's practically impossible (+20 DC) to pinpoint an invisible creature's location with a spot check."</p><p></p><p>I don't think I'm wrong to understand "locating the square an invisible creature occupies" as "pinpointing", so according to the PHB the DC to pinpoint a moving invisible creature is 20, but it's 40 according to the DMG. Anyway, I'm not sure an "invisible, attacking, moving" creature should get the same DC as an "invisible, moving" creature. Even worse if the pixie is taking a full round action to shoot three or four arrows... his location should be fairly easy to pinpoint.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wocky, post: 1566881, member: 11408"] The PHB seems to contradict the DMG (the SRD repeats the DMG text). Note the following: PHB (p. 309): "An invisible creature gains a +40 bonus on Hide checks if immobile or a +20 bonus on Hide checks if moving. Locating the square an invisible creature occupies requires a Spot check (DC 40 if the creature is immobile, DC 20 if the creature moved during its last turn), modified by the appropriate factors (...)" DMG (p. 295): "A creature can generally notice the presence of an active invisible creature within 30 feet with a DC 20 Spot Check. The observer gains a hunch that "there's something there" but can't see it or target it accurately with an attack. (...) [DC 30 if the creature is holding still, DC 40 if it's completely immobile]. It's practically impossible (+20 DC) to pinpoint an invisible creature's location with a spot check." I don't think I'm wrong to understand "locating the square an invisible creature occupies" as "pinpointing", so according to the PHB the DC to pinpoint a moving invisible creature is 20, but it's 40 according to the DMG. Anyway, I'm not sure an "invisible, attacking, moving" creature should get the same DC as an "invisible, moving" creature. Even worse if the pixie is taking a full round action to shoot three or four arrows... his location should be fairly easy to pinpoint. [/QUOTE]
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