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SPR: Quantification of the "Theurge-style" PrCls
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<blockquote data-quote="green slime" data-source="post: 4453843" data-attributes="member: 1325"><p>I realize your SPR is only one metric. But because it is so simplistic, we also need to have the other qualifiers onboard, in order to see the whole picture. This "SPR"-metric concept (albeit named differently) has been around before, right from the beginning of 3e: comparing Sorcerer vs wizard, psion vs wizard, etc.</p><p></p><p>Other metrics we need are:</p><p></p><p>Total number of spells</p><p>Total number of Low level spellslots (1st-3rd level) </p><p>Total number of Medium Level spellslots (4th-6th level)</p><p>Total number of High level spellslots (7th-9th)</p><p>Total number of Epic Level spellslots (10th level+)</p><p></p><p>Expected number of spells known (based on wealth)</p><p></p><p>Quality of Expected Primary Stat(s) </p><p>Expected Save DC</p><p>Expected Spell Resistance Penetration of =CR & CR+4</p><p></p><p>Actual casting Level (with regards to range, damage, and other spell effects).</p><p></p><p>Any restricted school access (which schools are banned/unavailable to the character).</p><p></p><p>Feats slots and any special abilities compared.</p><p></p><p>And we should compare across a wide range of character levels, in order to see the whole picture: 5th, 10th, 15th, 20th, & 25th. Alternatively 7th, 14th, and 21st.</p><p></p><p>Finally, we should compare with other viable PrC for single classed spellcasters as well: Red Wizard, Guild Wizard of Waterdeep, Loremaster, etc.</p><p></p><p>The uneven UM suffers by having only the 8th & 7th level spells from a single class, so are also going to be fewer in number than the single classed Wizard, who will gain more by dint of being a higher level. The large number of 6th level spells will hardly make up for all those lost spell slots.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="green slime, post: 4453843, member: 1325"] I realize your SPR is only one metric. But because it is so simplistic, we also need to have the other qualifiers onboard, in order to see the whole picture. This "SPR"-metric concept (albeit named differently) has been around before, right from the beginning of 3e: comparing Sorcerer vs wizard, psion vs wizard, etc. Other metrics we need are: Total number of spells Total number of Low level spellslots (1st-3rd level) Total number of Medium Level spellslots (4th-6th level) Total number of High level spellslots (7th-9th) Total number of Epic Level spellslots (10th level+) Expected number of spells known (based on wealth) Quality of Expected Primary Stat(s) Expected Save DC Expected Spell Resistance Penetration of =CR & CR+4 Actual casting Level (with regards to range, damage, and other spell effects). Any restricted school access (which schools are banned/unavailable to the character). Feats slots and any special abilities compared. And we should compare across a wide range of character levels, in order to see the whole picture: 5th, 10th, 15th, 20th, & 25th. Alternatively 7th, 14th, and 21st. Finally, we should compare with other viable PrC for single classed spellcasters as well: Red Wizard, Guild Wizard of Waterdeep, Loremaster, etc. The uneven UM suffers by having only the 8th & 7th level spells from a single class, so are also going to be fewer in number than the single classed Wizard, who will gain more by dint of being a higher level. The large number of 6th level spells will hardly make up for all those lost spell slots. [/QUOTE]
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