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Message: <blockquote data-quote="green slime" data-source="post: 4460892" data-attributes="member: 1325">No, SPR doesn't just look at slots. Using your SPR metric to compare these classes/PrC yields a lop-sided result. Precisely because 9 1st level spells are not equal even one very weak 9th level spell. Yet SPR says they are equal. That is precisely what SPR is measuring.Because these theurge-type PrC's give up high level spellcasting ability, and gain a large number of lower level spells; from two spellcasting or manifesting classes.Your metric allows the Theurge-type to have a large number, much larger than the single-classed wizard, precisely because it chooses to cheapen the value of the high level spell slot, and in doing so, it places a greater premium on low level spell slots. You conceed that the ability you are using to create this metric in and of itself, denigrates the power of the high level spell. In other words this metric is flawed, as a method to compare relative power. You are taking a single feat, and making it to be more than it was ever designed to be. It is flawed, precisely because it places a higher premium on the low level spell slot, and places a lower premium on the high level spellslots.The feat can do this and get a way with it, as that is what feats are for: to allow characters to make tough choices. You can't use it as a metric to compare the relative power of various spellcasters (arcane or not)As a feat, you can get away with erring on the side of caution. As a method to comparing relative power between spellcasters, you cannot.So for instance, If the actual average increase in power level between levels is 2,5 (just speculating) then applying 2d6 is quite good, especially for the low level spell slots, which are more likely to be utilized for this ability. We wouldn't want the feat to be granting 2d6 / every other spell level and 3d6 every second spell level? It gets quite messy, and misremembered. But even that would suggest that the 9th level spell slot is only worth 13,5 1st level spells.As another comparison, we may look at Innate Spell from FRCS: it suggests that a 9th level spell slot is worth an unlimited number of any one 1st level spell per day. Yet few considered it worth taking anyway. Not even for the ubiquitous Magic Missile. How does that unlimited number of a 1st level spell compare to SPR? 5d4+5 * 10 (rounds) * 60 minutes * 24 hours = 72000d4+72000 = 252,000 average damage. Maximum damage = 360,000.</blockquote>

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