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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 2541436" data-attributes="member: 1656">The problem has come about from the change in the definition of a standard action between 3E and 3.5.In 3E, a standard action allowed you to perform some sort of action and move your speed.&nbsp; You didn't get a standard action and a move action; you got a standard action, which included a move action.So the attack action, a standard action, included a single attack and moving your speed.&nbsp; Normally, the movement occurred before or after the attack; with Spring Attack, you can move before and after the attack.Now, skip to 3.5, where the standard action no longer includes movement; rather, a character gets a standard action, and a move action that is completely separate.Now, Spring Attack says &quot;When you take the attack action, you can move before and after the attack providing you don't exceed your speed&quot;... which has a different meaning to what it used to.&nbsp; Where it used to mean &quot;The movement you got anyway as part of your standard action is applied differently&quot;, now it means &quot;You don't normally get any movement as part of your standard action, but now you do&quot;.As written in 3.5, you can take the attack action with a melee weapon, move before and after the attack provided the movement does not exceed your speed, and still have a move action left over.&nbsp; Arguably, the feat's prohibition on exceeding your speed might apply to the whole round, so that move action could only be used for something other than movement...However, it seems likely this is a conversion error, and the movement of Spring Attack is intended to use up the move action for the round.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 2541436, member: 1656"] The problem has come about from the change in the definition of a standard action between 3E and 3.5. In 3E, a standard action allowed you to perform some sort of action and move your speed. You didn't get a standard action and a move action; you got a standard action, [i]which included a move action[/i]. So the attack action, a standard action, included a single attack and moving your speed. Normally, the movement occurred before or after the attack; with Spring Attack, you can move before [i]and[/i] after the attack. Now, skip to 3.5, where the standard action no longer includes movement; rather, a character gets a standard action, and a move action that is completely separate. Now, Spring Attack says "When you take the attack action, you can move before and after the attack providing you don't exceed your speed"... which has a different meaning to what it used to. Where it used to mean "The movement you got anyway as part of your standard action is applied differently", now it means "You don't normally get any movement as part of your standard action, [i]but now you do[/i]". As written in 3.5, you can take the attack action with a melee weapon, move before and after the attack provided the movement does not exceed your speed, [i]and still have a move action left over[/i]. Arguably, the feat's prohibition on exceeding your speed might apply to the whole round, so that move action could only be used for something other than movement... However, it seems likely this is a conversion error, and the movement of Spring Attack is intended to use up the move action for the round. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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