Reply to thread

Message

<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 2543511" data-attributes="member: 1656">Sunder and Bull Rush are distinct standard actions.Disarm and Trip are fine, since they can be used once in an attack action, and are performed with a melee weapon, so you are taking the attack action with a melee weapon.&nbsp; Attempting a trip unarmed is a possible exception, since it is by definition a trip performed without a weapon, and thus may not be legal in a Spring Attack.Grapple is debatable, but it's arguably a weapon in its own right (since 'Weapon Focus: Grapple' is explicitly allowed as a feat) and indisputably intended for close combat, so I'd have no issue with terming it a melee weapon.&nbsp; As you note, it's tricky to fulfil the 5'-move-after requirement.&nbsp; You can't move the grapple in the same round you initiate it with a Spring Attack, since it's a separate standard action.&nbsp; Consequently, what you actually have to do is Spring in, initiate the grapple, establish the hold and deal damage... and then not move into their square to maintain the grapple, since that's what will prevent you from moving 5' after the attack.&nbsp; -Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 2543511, member: 1656"] Sunder and Bull Rush are distinct standard actions. Disarm and Trip are fine, since they can be used once in an attack action, and are performed with a melee weapon, so you are taking the attack action with a melee weapon. Attempting a trip unarmed is a possible exception, since it is by definition a trip performed without a weapon, and thus may not be legal in a Spring Attack. Grapple is debatable, but it's arguably a weapon in its own right (since 'Weapon Focus: Grapple' is explicitly allowed as a feat) and indisputably intended for close combat, so I'd have no issue with terming it a melee weapon. As you note, it's tricky to fulfil the 5'-move-after requirement. You can't move the grapple in the same round you initiate it with a Spring Attack, since it's a separate standard action. Consequently, what you actually have to do is Spring in, initiate the grapple, establish the hold and deal damage... and then [i]not[/i] move into their square to maintain the grapple, since that's what will prevent you from moving 5' after the attack. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

Verification