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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 149226" data-attributes="member: 96">I think that if the rules were clear this thread and the others on the topic would not exist.The question rests on whether or not the ability of Spring Attack to let you move both before and after your attack trumps the restriction on the charge action that makes you stop when you threaten your target.Since there is not a clear order of precedence, it is indeed very ambiguous.&nbsp; Normally one cannot move both before and after an attack in any case, so the charge restriction simply prevents you from running past the target before you make your strike.&nbsp; Spring attack allows you to break the rule about not moving before and after an attack - this could be read as overriding the charge restriction, or it could be just as easily read as being subject to it.&nbsp; This is why I believe that the rules are in this case ambiguous.In general, I tend to side with the feats as taking precedence over the generic rules, since feats are by their nature more specific. Since other feats similar in nature to Spring Attack (Fly-by attack and ride-by attack) allowed charges to be used with them, I felt it was reasonable to allow this capability with Spring Attack as well.BTW, the reason I was upset was not because you disagreed with me but the way in which you did it.&nbsp; When someone says &quot;the rules DOES NOT allow it, tough&quot; - that indicates to me someone who is not even willing to admit the posibility that they are wrong or to look at other ways of seeing things.I also apologize, for my rather heated response.J</blockquote>

[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 149226, member: 96"] I think that if the rules were clear this thread and the others on the topic would not exist. The question rests on whether or not the ability of Spring Attack to let you move both before and after your attack trumps the restriction on the charge action that makes you stop when you threaten your target. Since there is not a clear order of precedence, it is indeed very ambiguous. Normally one cannot move both before and after an attack in any case, so the charge restriction simply prevents you from running past the target before you make your strike. Spring attack allows you to break the rule about not moving before and after an attack - this could be read as overriding the charge restriction, or it could be just as easily read as being subject to it. This is why I believe that the rules are in this case ambiguous. In general, I tend to side with the feats as taking precedence over the generic rules, since feats are by their nature more specific. Since other feats similar in nature to Spring Attack (Fly-by attack and ride-by attack) allowed charges to be used with them, I felt it was reasonable to allow this capability with Spring Attack as well. BTW, the reason I was upset was not because you disagreed with me but the way in which you did it. When someone says "the rules DOES NOT allow it, tough" - that indicates to me someone who is not even willing to admit the posibility that they are wrong or to look at other ways of seeing things. I also apologize, for my rather heated response. J [/QUOTE]

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