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<blockquote data-quote="Ywain" data-source="post: 148598" data-attributes="member: 1420"><p>Riga,</p><p></p><p>A move is not considered a *separate* action from a standard action it is considered part and parcel of the standard action. The category of Move Only Actions isn't one of the 5 basic action types. A run is a Full Round Action and a double move is a Standard action. By your line of thinking drawing your sword (a Move Equivalent Action) is an action but moving 30' isn't. Or the first 30' of a double move isn't an action, but the second 30' is.</p><p></p><p>"Not an Action: Some activities are not even considered free actions. They literally don't take any time at all to do and are considered an inherent part of doing something else." (SRD)</p><p></p><p>You can take this two ways, that Moving 30' does take time to do so it must be an action (i.e. one portion of a standard action when combined with the defining "activity" of a standard action, or the defining activity of a standard action in the case of a double move, or a partial action in other circumstances.) Or moving is Not an Action and is an inherent part of doing something else (i.e. an inherent part of the Standard Action that by definition is allowing the movement.) Both interpretations render the move and activity of a Standard action inextricable.</p><p></p><p>Remember that you can always choose to do less in an action (Full-Round or Standard) than the maximum allowed. So you aren't obliged to move when you take a standard action, but any standard action by definition allows that option. If you have 4 iterative attacks you don't have to take all 4 but the Full-Round action allows that option.</p><p></p><p>Now, you cannot split a Standard Action with a Partial Action any more legally than you can split a multi portioned Full-Round Action in that way. If you have four attacks, you cannot attack twice, use an extra partial action to move 30', then attack twice more. All of the attacks are inextricably part of the same Full-Round Action even though each attack could be, in a sense, considered a discrete action. In the same way, you cannot Move, take an extra partial action, then the defining activity of a standard action.</p><p></p><p>This latter example is mostly academic as 99% of the time if you can do something as a standard action you can do it (minus the move) as a partial action. So you just put the standard tag on the partial action in the middle of your round and the partial tag on the action at the end of your round. But it becomes important when considering spring attack, because the order of the standard action is altered by the feat. The standard action still has all of the usual constituent parts (move and defining activity) but the move is split before and after the activity. So in the case of spring attack you have to use your extra partial action before the first move or after the second, because any other place in the combat round would split the standard action. (And as I said before this is akin to splitting a Full-Round Action.)</p><p></p><p>Sorry to wax all theoretical here. Hope it makes as much sense to you as it does to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ywain, post: 148598, member: 1420"] Riga, A move is not considered a *separate* action from a standard action it is considered part and parcel of the standard action. The category of Move Only Actions isn't one of the 5 basic action types. A run is a Full Round Action and a double move is a Standard action. By your line of thinking drawing your sword (a Move Equivalent Action) is an action but moving 30' isn't. Or the first 30' of a double move isn't an action, but the second 30' is. "Not an Action: Some activities are not even considered free actions. They literally don't take any time at all to do and are considered an inherent part of doing something else." (SRD) You can take this two ways, that Moving 30' does take time to do so it must be an action (i.e. one portion of a standard action when combined with the defining "activity" of a standard action, or the defining activity of a standard action in the case of a double move, or a partial action in other circumstances.) Or moving is Not an Action and is an inherent part of doing something else (i.e. an inherent part of the Standard Action that by definition is allowing the movement.) Both interpretations render the move and activity of a Standard action inextricable. Remember that you can always choose to do less in an action (Full-Round or Standard) than the maximum allowed. So you aren't obliged to move when you take a standard action, but any standard action by definition allows that option. If you have 4 iterative attacks you don't have to take all 4 but the Full-Round action allows that option. Now, you cannot split a Standard Action with a Partial Action any more legally than you can split a multi portioned Full-Round Action in that way. If you have four attacks, you cannot attack twice, use an extra partial action to move 30', then attack twice more. All of the attacks are inextricably part of the same Full-Round Action even though each attack could be, in a sense, considered a discrete action. In the same way, you cannot Move, take an extra partial action, then the defining activity of a standard action. This latter example is mostly academic as 99% of the time if you can do something as a standard action you can do it (minus the move) as a partial action. So you just put the standard tag on the partial action in the middle of your round and the partial tag on the action at the end of your round. But it becomes important when considering spring attack, because the order of the standard action is altered by the feat. The standard action still has all of the usual constituent parts (move and defining activity) but the move is split before and after the activity. So in the case of spring attack you have to use your extra partial action before the first move or after the second, because any other place in the combat round would split the standard action. (And as I said before this is akin to splitting a Full-Round Action.) Sorry to wax all theoretical here. Hope it makes as much sense to you as it does to me. [/QUOTE]
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