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<blockquote data-quote="jontherev" data-source="post: 148912" data-attributes="member: 1451">back on topicThis discussion of partial actions is going off topic.&nbsp; I'd really like to hear someone else's opinion of what the term used in Expert Tactician means.&nbsp; I'm referring to the term, &quot;normal action&quot;.&nbsp; You can only use the feat before or after your &quot;normal action&quot;.&nbsp; Our group has always taken this to mean &quot;standard or full-round action&quot;.&nbsp; Therefore, I am only debating the other issue (whether move is an action) to humour Rigormortis.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />&nbsp; I never (and I'm a power-gamer) thought about trying to use ET in the middle of a standard action.Personally, this is the crux of the debate for me.&nbsp; Once you answer this question, and the question of whether or not the extra partial action from Haste counts as part of this &quot;normal action&quot;, then the original post can be answered.&nbsp; IF and WHEN you answer the first question, you can then try to argue whether a full move is an action or not.&nbsp; This sounds like a good email for the Sage.One last argument for this:&nbsp; If what you say is true, then what was the point of even bothering to say you may use the feat &quot;before or after your normal action&quot;?&nbsp; This was obviously meant to restrict the feat in some way, and using your interpretation, there is practically NO restriction on when the feat may be used.I feel it is too powerful to allow when combined with Spring Attack.&nbsp; Allowing you to use ET basically whenever you want during a move would allow the Spring Attacker to attack TWICE every round AND move far enough away to prevent a full attack in response.&nbsp; I find that unbalancing for a feat that is already incredibly powerful.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jontherev, post: 148912, member: 1451"] [b]back on topic[/b] This discussion of partial actions is going off topic. I'd really like to hear someone else's opinion of what the term used in Expert Tactician means. I'm referring to the term, "normal action". You can only use the feat before or after your "normal action". Our group has always taken this to mean "standard or full-round action". Therefore, I am only debating the other issue (whether move is an action) to humour Rigormortis.:D I never (and I'm a power-gamer) thought about trying to use ET in the middle of a standard action. Personally, this is the crux of the debate for me. Once you answer this question, and the question of whether or not the extra partial action from Haste counts as part of this "normal action", then the original post can be answered. IF and WHEN you answer the first question, you can then try to argue whether a full move is an action or not. This sounds like a good email for the Sage. One last argument for this: If what you say is true, then what was the point of even bothering to say you may use the feat "before or after your normal action"? This was obviously meant to restrict the feat in some way, and using your interpretation, there is practically NO restriction on when the feat may be used. I feel it is too powerful to allow when combined with Spring Attack. Allowing you to use ET basically whenever you want during a move would allow the Spring Attacker to attack TWICE every round AND move far enough away to prevent a full attack in response. I find that unbalancing for a feat that is already incredibly powerful. [/QUOTE]

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