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<blockquote data-quote="Ywain" data-source="post: 149228" data-attributes="member: 1420">1. I think you are missing the significance of the word &quot;and&quot;.&nbsp; The two things-done taken as a whole comprise a Standard Action.&nbsp; I see nothing that defines moving as a &quot;Free Action&quot; (it isn't free because you can't just add it to a Full-Round Action or a Partial Action).&nbsp; And I see nothing that defines moving as &quot;Not an Action&quot;, or at least if it is Not an Action it is an &quot;inherent part&quot; of the standard action, so it cannot be separated from that standard action.2.&nbsp; &quot;activity you are performing obviously is (because it is called an action).&quot;Actually, the activity isn't called an action in this quote.&nbsp; The phrase used is &quot;the activity of the action&quot; which is one part of the standard action.&nbsp; The other part is *the movement of the action*, they are both portions of the same action.3. &quot;Note that there is no mention of the word move in this sentance.&quot;There is no need to, both activities are standard actions and as such allow a move.&nbsp; There is no need to mention a 5' step if you take a move equivalent action in place of the move, either.&nbsp; Neither the move nor the 5'step is pertinent to the point that is being made so for clarity and brevity they are both glossed over.&nbsp; (I wish they had have done this with the &quot;Note that Armor Check Penalties Apply... &quot; text in each of the class descriptions.)4.&nbsp; &quot;Notice that there are two different actions here. One is to dismiss a spell, the other is to use the Heal Skill. Notice that Move was used in BOTH cases as a Move and it was never indicated that it was a Move action.&quot;Well, um, dismissing a spell or using the heal skill have no indication that they are actions either.&nbsp; One standard action consists of both This and That.&nbsp; One action two things are accomplished.&nbsp; If one were to simply move 15' and do nothing else, you will have performed a Standard Action.5. &quot;I can conclude that: Standard Action = an action + a move&quot;Or Standard Action = (activity + move). 6. &quot;So in the surprise round, you make a partial charge towards the nearest enemy. He is flat-footed, thus no Dex bonus. Expert Tactician kicks in... No wait, it doesn't... This is a partial action, not a Standard or Full-round... Oppps... &quot;Don't be pedantic, in a surprise round you can only take partial actions so in that circumstance the partial action would be your Normal Action.&nbsp; You knew what he meant.&nbsp; Don't try to nit-pick for points, there is enough honest nit-picking to be done to solve this problem.Anyhoo.&nbsp;&nbsp; Would be bad form to ask if anyone has seen an example in *any* published work (from any source, in any format) that assumes that a move is separate from the standard action in which it is performed?&nbsp; Even one example might be a good indication that it might have been the designers intentions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ywain, post: 149228, member: 1420"] 1. I think you are missing the significance of the word "and". The two things-done taken as a whole comprise a Standard Action. I see nothing that defines moving as a "Free Action" (it isn't free because you can't just add it to a Full-Round Action or a Partial Action). And I see nothing that defines moving as "Not an Action", or at least if it is Not an Action it is an "inherent part" of the standard action, so it cannot be separated from that standard action. 2. "activity you are performing obviously is (because it is called an action)." Actually, the activity isn't called an action in this quote. The phrase used is "the activity of the action" which is one part of the standard action. The other part is *the movement of the action*, they are both portions of the same action. 3. "Note that there is no mention of the word move in this sentance." There is no need to, both activities are standard actions and as such allow a move. There is no need to mention a 5' step if you take a move equivalent action in place of the move, either. Neither the move nor the 5'step is pertinent to the point that is being made so for clarity and brevity they are both glossed over. (I wish they had have done this with the "Note that Armor Check Penalties Apply... " text in each of the class descriptions.) 4. "Notice that there are two different actions here. One is to dismiss a spell, the other is to use the Heal Skill. Notice that Move was used in BOTH cases as a Move and it was never indicated that it was a Move action." Well, um, dismissing a spell or using the heal skill have no indication that they are actions either. One standard action consists of both This and That. One action two things are accomplished. If one were to simply move 15' and do nothing else, you will have performed a Standard Action. 5. "I can conclude that: Standard Action = an action + a move" Or Standard Action = (activity + move). 6. "So in the surprise round, you make a partial charge towards the nearest enemy. He is flat-footed, thus no Dex bonus. Expert Tactician kicks in... No wait, it doesn't... This is a partial action, not a Standard or Full-round... Oppps... " Don't be pedantic, in a surprise round you can only take partial actions so in that circumstance the partial action would be your Normal Action. You knew what he meant. Don't try to nit-pick for points, there is enough honest nit-picking to be done to solve this problem. Anyhoo. Would be bad form to ask if anyone has seen an example in *any* published work (from any source, in any format) that assumes that a move is separate from the standard action in which it is performed? Even one example might be a good indication that it might have been the designers intentions. [/QUOTE]

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