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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kannik" data-source="post: 336008" data-attributes="member: 984">Greets everyone,Playing Spycraft right now, and the autofire and burst rules are leaving me with a scuzzy feeling. I guess you  could say I don't like them <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /> They're poorly worded and inconsistant with each other. As a temporary fix, our group will run bursts like a half-action Autofire with one 3 shot burst (and autofire isn't a bunch of bursts, is one long fire, but same game mechanics).However, I desire something more... accurate.A 3 shot burst in most weapons is fast enough that the last bullet is leaving the barrel just as the recoil starts to spoil your aim*. Given that, I can see something akin to a -1 overall to hit, and a 'one hit per 4 over' sort of rule.But autofire makes no sense to me. Say I shoot half a clip -- 15 rounds. My FIRST bullet suffers a -5 to hit just because LATER on recoil is going to spoil my aim? Huh? I know physics work differently in spy games, but in that case there is no recoil <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />So. Here's my suggestion, or rather, here's something I propose that isn't worked out yet but I hope that you can help me formulate into something workable }:>For autofire -- choose about how much of a burst you'd like to fire off. Roll your attack roll vs Target Defence. To determine hits, first shot hits on number required, next one hits on 2 higher, next on 3 higher than that (5 total), next on 4 higher than that (9 total), etc. Thus...Target Defence: 10bullet: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 etc..Roll to hit: 10 12 15 19 24 30 37 45 etc..Also, perhaps bonuses due to high strength or skill, for control.Compared to Spycraft Standard rules -- lets say that the above was a 15 shot autofire (-5 to hit)1 2 3 4 5 6 7 815 19 23 27 31 35 39 43So, the proposed system certainly is deadlier, though if you're rolling REALLY hot, you'll actually hit with less (at 8 bullets or more, in this case). This also illustrates that long bursts in Spycraft standard rules are completely and utterly useless unless its a totally stationary object. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />3-round burst fire could be handled in the same way.Another option might be to have a roll in some way to see if one loses control of the weapon during autofire -- but it seems to be adding to many rolls.I appologize for the unstructured nature of this post }:> What think all of you of this idea, or, any other suggestions for unifying burst and autofire under one set of rules and 'realistic' effects?Kannik* - Note that my presumption about 3 round bursts comes from a reviewof the Baretta 93R, where the article writer made this claim. Also,I've read that some weapons (such as the Baretta PM-12S (hmm, didn'trealize they were both Barettas when I pulled out these examples <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />)are actually somewhat managable in full-auto fire...</blockquote>

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