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<blockquote data-quote="C. Baize" data-source="post: 1064374" data-attributes="member: 4571"><p>But there are a few factual errors. I can't comment on the opinions, because I don't have Spycraft, but I will correct the factual errors regarding D20 Modern, just so a comparison is not being made between facts about one system, and errors about another.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay. Action points. </p><p>Basic Classes get (5+½ Character Level, rounded down) action points per level. </p><p>Advanced Classes get (6+½ Character Level, rounded down) action points per level.</p><p>Prestige Classes get (7+½ Character Level, rounded down) action points per level.</p><p>Action points are meant to be a heroic effort, or the cinematic effort... Detective Murtaugh pulls his 6 shooter, rolls his head to pop his neck and steady himself, takes aim, and fires... </p><p>Honestly, in 5 levels, my main D20 Modern hero has used a total of *1* action point... not because I'm hoarding them, but because it was the right time to use it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In essence correct, but I have to laugh...</p><p>"This doesn't do it."</p><p>"If you want it to do it, you can."</p><p>"But this doesn't do it."</p><p></p><p>As for superscience, and alien tech... it's not D20 Future... it's D20 MODERN. D20 Future is coming later, I hear.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, in essence, correct. And again, I have to laugh.</p><p>"Psionics: D20 Modern has it in the core book, Spycraft has it as a supplement... therefore Spycraft is superior..." BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, I say: It's D20 MODERN. Not d20 Future. </p><p>Apples and oranges, man. </p><p>D20 Modern is meant for gaming in the MODERN genre. Look outside your window... add a spattering of magic, and supernatural critters... It isn't MEANT to be D20 Future.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't know about Spycraft, but the core D20 Modern martial arts section IS a joke... Get Blood and Fists for modern martial arts stuff.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>With very few exceptions, the feats in D20 Modern make good sense. </p><p>Plus they made Frightful Presence a feat with a pretty hefty prerequisite, ensuring that nobody can get it before 6th level. How cool is THAT?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Look... here's this one, again... </p><p>"D20 Modern has it, and it's a cool thing... Spycraft doesn't have this cool thing... Therefor Spycraft is better..."</p><p>I'm glad I'm not drinking anything, as I re-read through this. </p><p>D20 Modern has reputation, it also has feats to increase or DEcrease your reputation. It's all there. </p><p>HOWEVER. </p><p>I, too, wish they had done something WITH the reputation bonus... Like at a certain reputation level you have neighborhood notoriety, a couple more and it's local, a couple more and it's the area, a couple more and it's the state, a couple more, it's the region, and so on... up to world notoriety... An easy enough fix, but it's not IN D20 Modern. I like the reputation system, but it needs further development.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You can strafe and burst fire in D20 Modern at the standard -4 penalty.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So....In D20 Modern, there's not a whole section on chase scale and vehicle manuevering, and vehicular stunts, from pages 155 - 163, incorporating vehicular movement and vehicular combat? Wow... I must be imagining things... </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Since he doesn't say anything about D20 Modern here, except to speculate that it sucks, I won't put anything here.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just so we're clear.... the only person to whom you would recommend D20 Modern is someone who wants to play... D20 Modern.</p><p>Uhmm...</p><p>Goodness... that's a leap of epic proportions, there.... I'm truly astounded...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="C. Baize, post: 1064374, member: 4571"] But there are a few factual errors. I can't comment on the opinions, because I don't have Spycraft, but I will correct the factual errors regarding D20 Modern, just so a comparison is not being made between facts about one system, and errors about another. Okay. Action points. Basic Classes get (5+½ Character Level, rounded down) action points per level. Advanced Classes get (6+½ Character Level, rounded down) action points per level. Prestige Classes get (7+½ Character Level, rounded down) action points per level. Action points are meant to be a heroic effort, or the cinematic effort... Detective Murtaugh pulls his 6 shooter, rolls his head to pop his neck and steady himself, takes aim, and fires... Honestly, in 5 levels, my main D20 Modern hero has used a total of *1* action point... not because I'm hoarding them, but because it was the right time to use it. In essence correct, but I have to laugh... "This doesn't do it." "If you want it to do it, you can." "But this doesn't do it." As for superscience, and alien tech... it's not D20 Future... it's D20 MODERN. D20 Future is coming later, I hear. Again, in essence, correct. And again, I have to laugh. "Psionics: D20 Modern has it in the core book, Spycraft has it as a supplement... therefore Spycraft is superior..." BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Again, I say: It's D20 MODERN. Not d20 Future. Apples and oranges, man. D20 Modern is meant for gaming in the MODERN genre. Look outside your window... add a spattering of magic, and supernatural critters... It isn't MEANT to be D20 Future. I don't know about Spycraft, but the core D20 Modern martial arts section IS a joke... Get Blood and Fists for modern martial arts stuff. With very few exceptions, the feats in D20 Modern make good sense. Plus they made Frightful Presence a feat with a pretty hefty prerequisite, ensuring that nobody can get it before 6th level. How cool is THAT? Look... here's this one, again... "D20 Modern has it, and it's a cool thing... Spycraft doesn't have this cool thing... Therefor Spycraft is better..." I'm glad I'm not drinking anything, as I re-read through this. D20 Modern has reputation, it also has feats to increase or DEcrease your reputation. It's all there. HOWEVER. I, too, wish they had done something WITH the reputation bonus... Like at a certain reputation level you have neighborhood notoriety, a couple more and it's local, a couple more and it's the area, a couple more and it's the state, a couple more, it's the region, and so on... up to world notoriety... An easy enough fix, but it's not IN D20 Modern. I like the reputation system, but it needs further development. You can strafe and burst fire in D20 Modern at the standard -4 penalty. So....In D20 Modern, there's not a whole section on chase scale and vehicle manuevering, and vehicular stunts, from pages 155 - 163, incorporating vehicular movement and vehicular combat? Wow... I must be imagining things... Since he doesn't say anything about D20 Modern here, except to speculate that it sucks, I won't put anything here. Just so we're clear.... the only person to whom you would recommend D20 Modern is someone who wants to play... D20 Modern. Uhmm... Goodness... that's a leap of epic proportions, there.... I'm truly astounded... [/QUOTE]
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