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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voneth" data-source="post: 1083552" data-attributes="member: 1016">Nah, my world didn't end when there wasn't enough superscience in d20 Modern, but I wouldn't call it petty when there were 4 example settings and it seems that we'll see the 2 magic ones done first with Agents of Psi using a psi system that by defaults assumes the use of magic (since there was little change from the D&D version and that is what the PsiHB designers said was their design goal.)On one hand, I don't blame WotC, they knew Urban Arcana would sell, and with Angel still out there, Shadow Chasers will sell. After that, SF in RPGs is a lot more chancey. On the other hand, it seems that compared to a lot of other gamers, I seem to have a broader view of what a Modern genre is.You lack of intimacy show, the default for even the core Spycraft game is Mission ImpossibleThere are days I swear SC main classes were based off the A-Team. They even have a “face man.” Though they do have a “Wheelman” compared to a “Pilot” <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Pretty much a solo game in SC. The interesting thing would be to make it believable that regular cop could take on all those guys. Oh, wait, that’s SC default. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Budget Points, Gadget Points, invisibly outfit, and Chemical MonsterAll you need is the “latex face mask” (describe the critter as an alien) and your set.  The only real big complaint some SC fans have is that there is too much esoteric stuff in the Series Archer campaign book. Which is why AEG made the core book much more “realistic.”This comment lost me. WotC didn’t buy any 10th Kingdom license or Buffy license (Eden Studios snagged that one and doing quite well for it). Those movie were mentioned as examples of what could be done with a dash of “superscience” compared to magic in a modern setting. Either you are not understanding what superscience could be, or you just threw that out as a straw man vote against Spycraft.Without “superscience” (which is basically the science version of modern magic) you can’t get around to:TermorsSG-1Some X-Files (alien hybrid babies)First WaveDarwin’s Radio (book)Etc …Basically where the veneer of the world looks like the one outside your window.For Science Fiction:Earth Final ConflictTravellerStar WarsFifth ElementDarwin’s Children (book)Basically where the science has completely changed life as we know it, where “ray guns” and “rocket ships” are the normUhhh, I was more talking about how d20Modern lacks half the genres it promised to serve by a lack of “superscience” and an over focus on magic. And that Spycraft nabs me because sadly enough Spycraft was trying to be an espionage-only game and it ends up being a strong contender against a more generic system.I assume by the “I really no longer care” you are bowing out of the thread, just when I was hoping to get my point across. :rollseyes: “Welcome to life on the Internet, Von”------------------- Trying to win an argument on the Internet is like being a race where the finish line is the edge of a cliff. You might win, but you stupid for participating in the first place </blockquote>

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