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<blockquote data-quote="Pickles III" data-source="post: 6682547" data-attributes="member: 6793942">I used to do the wobbly fireball targeting when I started 3e. I also at one point would ask players to pick the target point &amp; only then would we get out our AOE template to see what it hit. I can't remember why I stopped other than it just doesn't seem relevant any more &amp; it's slow. I have no interest in revisiting that for 5e/4eD&amp;D. As to the 1-2-1. it's a lovely clean approximation but like you say materially slows things down. I also find counting the move in 5' increments instead of squares slows things down for no value. I wish they had gone with all measurement being in &quot;fathoms*&quot; which are strictly 6' but can be 5' for gameplay. Then you remove a factor of 5 &amp; make playing on a grid very straightforward while retaining a more natural flavour than &quot;squares&quot; gives. *The mini game Helldorado used fathoms but other words would do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pickles III, post: 6682547, member: 6793942"] I used to do the wobbly fireball targeting when I started 3e. I also at one point would ask players to pick the target point & only then would we get out our AOE template to see what it hit. I can't remember why I stopped other than it just doesn't seem relevant any more & it's slow. I have no interest in revisiting that for 5e/4eD&D. As to the 1-2-1. it's a lovely clean approximation but like you say materially slows things down. I also find counting the move in 5' increments instead of squares slows things down for no value. I wish they had gone with all measurement being in "fathoms*" which are strictly 6' but can be 5' for gameplay. Then you remove a factor of 5 & make playing on a grid very straightforward while retaining a more natural flavour than "squares" gives. *The mini game Helldorado used fathoms but other words would do. [/QUOTE]

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