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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5958405" data-attributes="member: 996">4e didn't remove DR, it was just re-named resistance, and was generally a bit lower.&nbsp; SR was rendered conceptually superfluous when spells were given attack mechanics.&nbsp; The point of SR (and magic resistance) in the past was to try to balance the extreme power of casters.&nbsp; While it failed in 3.5 (because it was easy to pick spells that bypasses SR), prior to that it was at least a factor the DM could use to try to give non-casters a chance to contribute meaningfully, once in a while.&nbsp; With casters no longer (nearly so) imbalanced in 4e, the need for SR was simply gone.Since 5e is bringing back imbalanced Vancian casters, bringing back SR would make some sense - it would just have to avoid the 3.5 mistake of making it too easy to bypass SR with simple spell choice, at a minimum, to be of any use.&nbsp; And, I can't think of a way to make it a /good/ balancing mechanism.&nbsp; I suppose, as in AD&amp;D, if you throw enough limitations, restrictions, and gotchyas at casters, the DM will at least have tools to potentially balance them, if he works at it meticulously enough.Given it's current direction (bootlegger reverse and hit the gas), yes.No need.&nbsp; The Vancian casters are going to be overpowered, SR that shuts him down will give others a chance to do something noticeable while they sit it out.&nbsp; It's unsatisfying, inadequate 'serial balance,' but with so much power concentrated in dailies, there's little other choice but to balance using such mechanisms (and more than just SR wil be needed to achieve that balance).For the classic 'feel,' there should certainly be various special materials and simply 'magic' (with 'bounded accuracy,' it's unlikely there will be +X weapons, just 'magic' and mundane) to bypass DR.&nbsp; With scaling being primarily about damage, the amount of DR could be moderately high - at higher levels, lower-level monsters' DR can just be 'powered through.'DR could be a monster-associated module, or core.&nbsp; SR just needs to go with Vancian, so if Vancian is core, it needs to be core.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 5958405, member: 996"] 4e didn't remove DR, it was just re-named resistance, and was generally a bit lower. SR was rendered conceptually superfluous when spells were given attack mechanics. The point of SR (and magic resistance) in the past was to try to balance the extreme power of casters. While it failed in 3.5 (because it was easy to pick spells that bypasses SR), prior to that it was at least a factor the DM could use to try to give non-casters a chance to contribute meaningfully, once in a while. With casters no longer (nearly so) imbalanced in 4e, the need for SR was simply gone. Since 5e is bringing back imbalanced Vancian casters, bringing back SR would make some sense - it would just have to avoid the 3.5 mistake of making it too easy to bypass SR with simple spell choice, at a minimum, to be of any use. And, I can't think of a way to make it a /good/ balancing mechanism. I suppose, as in AD&D, if you throw enough limitations, restrictions, and gotchyas at casters, the DM will at least have tools to potentially balance them, if he works at it meticulously enough. Given it's current direction (bootlegger reverse and hit the gas), yes. No need. The Vancian casters are going to be overpowered, SR that shuts him down will give others a chance to do something noticeable while they sit it out. It's unsatisfying, inadequate 'serial balance,' but with so much power concentrated in dailies, there's little other choice but to balance using such mechanisms (and more than just SR wil be needed to achieve that balance). For the classic 'feel,' there should certainly be various special materials and simply 'magic' (with 'bounded accuracy,' it's unlikely there will be +X weapons, just 'magic' and mundane) to bypass DR. With scaling being primarily about damage, the amount of DR could be moderately high - at higher levels, lower-level monsters' DR can just be 'powered through.' DR could be a monster-associated module, or core. SR just needs to go with Vancian, so if Vancian is core, it needs to be core. [/QUOTE]

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