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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Blacksad" data-source="post: 265132" data-attributes="member: 1359">the ECL is the same as the CR for the first 20 levels.the ECL serve you to determine your needed xp level.because a ECL 110 character has a really hard time vs 10 ECL 100 character or if you keep the normal sytem vs 10 CR 100 creatures, UK alter the axiom of +1 ECL = +1 CR.He wants to keep the elegant part of the CR sytem:-you need 13.33 encounter of similar CR to yours to rise a level-a CR X+4 creatures equal 4 CR X creatures IIRCSo he defines in parallel with the ECL of the character a CR that serve the DM to determine challenge and xp awards.a ECL 100 character with UK system has no chances vs a CR 100 creature, but a CR 100 PC has some chances (I do not remember the ECL of a CR100 character).montecook refer I think to what is now called Level Adjustment (LA) IIRC, and he explains that a monster PC hasn't an ECL (level+LA) that equal that monster CR (base CR+level) as an NPC, because a monster stay up for one fight and wether a spell-like ability is usablle 3 times per day or at will doesn't make a big difference in it's CR, while it's very important for ECL.It's tricky because WotC misused their terms in the DMG changed the definition in the FRCS and will change them once again in Savages Species (LA instead of ECL).UK use the FRCS way, i.e. drizzt is ECL 18 and CR 18, and do not follow unofficial comments by sean or monte on the impossibility of fixing a CR for PC.So with UK system you loose the "I'm level 100 I can kill CR 100 creatures", but you keep the CR X+4 has a 50% chance of killing 4 CR X creaatures, which is the assumption of the ELH.</blockquote>

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