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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tjasamcarl" data-source="post: 265824" data-attributes="member: 6007">Pathetic...I don't think anyone who read through the combined posts of our last run in would say you put any type of 'smackdown' on me. You were questioning Wotc's marketing descisions and it was clear you had NO economic sense whatsoever...well, we won't get into that.I believed my last post conveyed quite clearly the deficiencies in not only your system, but the entire paradigm you were working under when you created it. You took what was always suppossed to be an 'eyeball' and, assuming it to be gospel, proceeded to pronounce it a failure. I freely admit that looking at the derived EL is not always enough, but the DMG makes it very clear that a given monster was created with the intent of challenging the min/maxed four 'core' classes in mind. You made the assumption which Wotc balanced class levels to the best of their ability. Unfortunatly, you then went on to make the conclude that basing a system off of the more dubious assumption that they succeeded fully. And don't get me started on the ECL=CR thing. You took a fundemental misunderstanding of how the two are related and then just, through wishful thinking, related the two. And the best defense you could come up with was that class wealth would balance any given 'monster' into a workable character...dahYou had it right near the end, two different measures would be needed to the determine CR and Class level...which basically bring full validity to my assertion that not all class combinations are equal.... Sorry...start playtesting and LEARN the actual mechanics or stop...you are embarrasing yourself...</blockquote>

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