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<blockquote data-quote="Ipissimus" data-source="post: 4074925" data-attributes="member: 41514"><p>I grok this. Great article. I've only got 3 cencerns, which I'll get into. But I can see where it's coming from. Thanks, Mordin, for your post, it assuaged alot of my worries.</p><p></p><p>1. I'd like clarification on Marking people at range. I hope that you actually have to threaten a target (borrowing the 3e term) in order for the Mark the be effective, excluding some tricks like the Paladin's divine abilities and the Swordmage's arcane marks.</p><p></p><p>2. Marking opponants shouldn't be much of a problem for PCs. People who play Wizards already have to keep track of bunches of stuff, this just gives a fighter something to do other than roll dice and feel inadiquette. DMs, however... it could get bad. I can see a situation where a party is fighting a squad of fighters, all with the ability to Mark and the DM having to keep track of which squad member's Marked who... could get confusing, even with markers.</p><p></p><p>3. I'm see-sawing over the 'overlapping Marks' issue. On one hand, I understand it's a game and even simulationist games aren't reality. On the other hand, fighting multiple opponants in real life is quite deadly. On the third hand (my mutation), I hope that combat advantage from flanking more than makes up for the lack when 2 defenders gang up on a foe.</p><p></p><p>That being said, I can think of plenty of cinematic examples of Marking that make me think this is a cool addition to the game.</p><p></p><p>After the death of an important NPC noted in his background, Mad Martigan calls out General Kail, Marking him. Kail returns the favour, giving Martigan the universal sign for 'come get some'. Both of them are out of range with thier weapons, so they disembowl a few peons that get in their way, Kail retreating up some stairs to gain combat advantage from high ground.</p><p></p><p>or</p><p></p><p>Qui-Gon steps forward as Darth Maul reveals himself. Drawing their lightsabers, Qui-gon (the more powerful fighter) Marks his opponant. Darth Maul marks Qui-gon in return but realizes that two Jedi may overmatch him. Thus he retreats, enguaging Qui-Gon and doing everything in his power to keep Obi-Wan from flanking.</p><p></p><p>I'll admit, though, if Marks stacked it'd give Darth Maul (or a BBEG in the same position) even more insentive to separate his two opponants. But either way is far more interesting than 'I roll... I hit... I miss... I do x damage... next round... rinse, repeat...'</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ipissimus, post: 4074925, member: 41514"] I grok this. Great article. I've only got 3 cencerns, which I'll get into. But I can see where it's coming from. Thanks, Mordin, for your post, it assuaged alot of my worries. 1. I'd like clarification on Marking people at range. I hope that you actually have to threaten a target (borrowing the 3e term) in order for the Mark the be effective, excluding some tricks like the Paladin's divine abilities and the Swordmage's arcane marks. 2. Marking opponants shouldn't be much of a problem for PCs. People who play Wizards already have to keep track of bunches of stuff, this just gives a fighter something to do other than roll dice and feel inadiquette. DMs, however... it could get bad. I can see a situation where a party is fighting a squad of fighters, all with the ability to Mark and the DM having to keep track of which squad member's Marked who... could get confusing, even with markers. 3. I'm see-sawing over the 'overlapping Marks' issue. On one hand, I understand it's a game and even simulationist games aren't reality. On the other hand, fighting multiple opponants in real life is quite deadly. On the third hand (my mutation), I hope that combat advantage from flanking more than makes up for the lack when 2 defenders gang up on a foe. That being said, I can think of plenty of cinematic examples of Marking that make me think this is a cool addition to the game. After the death of an important NPC noted in his background, Mad Martigan calls out General Kail, Marking him. Kail returns the favour, giving Martigan the universal sign for 'come get some'. Both of them are out of range with thier weapons, so they disembowl a few peons that get in their way, Kail retreating up some stairs to gain combat advantage from high ground. or Qui-Gon steps forward as Darth Maul reveals himself. Drawing their lightsabers, Qui-gon (the more powerful fighter) Marks his opponant. Darth Maul marks Qui-gon in return but realizes that two Jedi may overmatch him. Thus he retreats, enguaging Qui-Gon and doing everything in his power to keep Obi-Wan from flanking. I'll admit, though, if Marks stacked it'd give Darth Maul (or a BBEG in the same position) even more insentive to separate his two opponants. But either way is far more interesting than 'I roll... I hit... I miss... I do x damage... next round... rinse, repeat...' [/QUOTE]
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