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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dravot" data-source="post: 2752577" data-attributes="member: 137">I'll look thru the MM and see if there's a rough equivalent.As for a maximum CR, I'm not sure.  I'm new to DMing in the 3.0/3.5E context, and we have a large group (6 when all are present, 7 with OldSchool) of very capable players.  I also tend to forget that not every encounter is meant to kill the players...merely suck down their precious resources.    <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> Heck, they did the unthinkable and went into a fight that the adventure said they should avoid.  I pulled no punches, and even dropped someone into negatives, but they took down the baddies.For a difficult encounter, I'd say CR 5.  If it was a solo creature, maybe CR 6.</blockquote>