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<blockquote data-quote="Nonlethal Force" data-source="post: 3042350" data-attributes="member: 35788">Closer ... yes.&nbsp; But still not truly balanced.&nbsp; Using the economic argument here, I've already shown that at the level of +7 weapons I can make a +5 bow and 300 +1 arrows (with a +1 special ability on it) compared to a +7 melee weapon.&nbsp; To me that just isn't right.&nbsp; The archer already has the advantage of not having to worry about melee attacks if he can shoot far enough away.&nbsp; Why should they get the ability to specialize their attacks by using cheap (in comparison to a +8 weapon) arrows?&nbsp; If we were to calculate how many arrows you could make between a +10 melee weapon and a +8 bow using a +1 (+1 special ability) arrow I think it would get even more disproportinate!In any case, I could easily make the arguement that I can make 2 +5 weapons for much less than a +10 weapon.&nbsp; So balance is still not yet acheived even if you do let them stack up to +10.By the way, I would like to add here that this discussion may be one of the most enjoyable discussions I've had on this board for a long time.&nbsp; I hope that we can continue to look at this issue and contribute possitively.&nbsp; Thanks to all who have participated so far.Edit: Just for giggles....[Igoring base costs and masterwork costs...]+10 melee weapon (with one of the special properties as bane (___): 200,000 gold.+8&nbsp; bow: 128,000 gold.+1 arrow with bane (_____) ability: 8,000 gold.So, 200,000 minus the 128,000 is 72,000 gold if I am not mistaken.&nbsp; 72,000 divided by 8,000 should be 9, should it not?&nbsp; Since each bundle of arows is 50 arrows, 9 times 50 means that an archer could have 450 specialized bane arrows to use with his bow for the same amount of money as a melee fighter gets 1 weapon.Of course, this is assuming that we houseruled that bows and arrows stack completely.&nbsp; If we use the current 3.5 rules:+9 bow: 162,000 gold.200,000 - 162,000 = 38,000 if I did my math right.&nbsp; That makes 4 sets of bane arrows (200 bane arrows!) with 6,000 gold left over.Just sayin' ... that's all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nonlethal Force, post: 3042350, member: 35788"] Closer ... yes. But still not truly balanced. Using the economic argument here, I've already shown that at the level of +7 weapons I can make a +5 bow and 300 +1 arrows (with a +1 special ability on it) compared to a +7 melee weapon. To me that just isn't right. The archer already has the advantage of not having to worry about melee attacks if he can shoot far enough away. Why should they get the ability to specialize their attacks by using cheap (in comparison to a +8 weapon) arrows? If we were to calculate how many arrows you could make between a +10 melee weapon and a +8 bow using a +1 (+1 special ability) arrow I think it would get even more disproportinate! In any case, I could easily make the arguement that I can make 2 +5 weapons for much less than a +10 weapon. So balance is still not yet acheived even if you do let them stack up to +10. By the way, I would like to add here that this discussion may be one of the most enjoyable discussions I've had on this board for a long time. I hope that we can continue to look at this issue and contribute possitively. Thanks to all who have participated so far. [B]Edit:[/B] Just for giggles.... [Igoring base costs and masterwork costs...] +10 melee weapon (with one of the special properties as bane (___): [U]200,000 gold.[/U] +8 bow: [U]128,000 gold.[/U] +1 arrow with bane (_____) ability: [U]8,000 gold.[/U] So, 200,000 minus the 128,000 is 72,000 gold if I am not mistaken. 72,000 divided by 8,000 should be 9, should it not? Since each bundle of arows is 50 arrows, 9 times 50 means that an archer could have [B]450 specialized bane arrows[/B] to use with his bow for the same amount of money as a melee fighter gets 1 weapon. Of course, this is assuming that we houseruled that bows and arrows stack completely. If we use the current 3.5 rules: +9 bow: [U]162,000 go[/U]ld. 200,000 - 162,000 = 38,000 if I did my math right. That makes 4 sets of bane arrows ([B]200 bane arrows![/B]) with 6,000 gold left over. Just sayin' ... that's all. [/QUOTE]

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