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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3506198" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>The counter position is that Blur is a visual effect.</p><p></p><p>Anything that can get tha visual effect has a miss chance.</p><p></p><p>However, there are no "visual effect" text or rules listed anywhere in the game outside of specific spells and items. There is no "Blurred" condition or "Displaced" condition. There is an Invisible condition, but that condition is explicitly discussed by Mirror Image.</p><p></p><p>Mirror Image also explicitly discusses strictly visual aspects (such as appearing wounded).</p><p></p><p>So, we have no condition rules on Blur. We have no specific Mirror Image rules on Blur. All we have is that Blur affects a creature and gives it a miss chance. That's the only explicit rule we have. We have explicit Mirror Image rules concerning Invisibility and AC, but not miss chances.</p><p></p><p>From a strictly RAW interpretation, in order for a spell effect to effect someone or something, it has to call out that it does so. Blur explicitly calls out that it affects a creature and Mirror Image does not explicitly call out that it gives the defensive capabilities of other spells that create visual effects.</p><p></p><p>So, basically, that's why. We have no such "blurred image" rules that you are supporting. They are brand new and not mentioned anywhere in the game as explicit game mechanics.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Look at it a different way.</p><p></p><p>I create a Major Image of a Blurred Displaced creature. In addition to having an AC, he has two different miss chances as well. Does this really make sense? Or how about a Major Image of a Blinking Blurred Displaced creature? Or how about a Major Image of a Blinking Blurred Displaced Incorporeal creature? Or how about a Major Image of a Blinking Blurred Displaced Incorporeal Cat's Graced Protected From Good creature? How many other effects can be thrown into the illusion? Why wouldn't every Illusionist make every creature illusion super-protected?</p><p></p><p>Where does one draw the line? One draws the line at what the targeting rules state because we have no other explicit rules.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 3506198, member: 2011"] The counter position is that Blur is a visual effect. Anything that can get tha visual effect has a miss chance. However, there are no "visual effect" text or rules listed anywhere in the game outside of specific spells and items. There is no "Blurred" condition or "Displaced" condition. There is an Invisible condition, but that condition is explicitly discussed by Mirror Image. Mirror Image also explicitly discusses strictly visual aspects (such as appearing wounded). So, we have no condition rules on Blur. We have no specific Mirror Image rules on Blur. All we have is that Blur affects a creature and gives it a miss chance. That's the only explicit rule we have. We have explicit Mirror Image rules concerning Invisibility and AC, but not miss chances. From a strictly RAW interpretation, in order for a spell effect to effect someone or something, it has to call out that it does so. Blur explicitly calls out that it affects a creature and Mirror Image does not explicitly call out that it gives the defensive capabilities of other spells that create visual effects. So, basically, that's why. We have no such "blurred image" rules that you are supporting. They are brand new and not mentioned anywhere in the game as explicit game mechanics. Look at it a different way. I create a Major Image of a Blurred Displaced creature. In addition to having an AC, he has two different miss chances as well. Does this really make sense? Or how about a Major Image of a Blinking Blurred Displaced creature? Or how about a Major Image of a Blinking Blurred Displaced Incorporeal creature? Or how about a Major Image of a Blinking Blurred Displaced Incorporeal Cat's Graced Protected From Good creature? How many other effects can be thrown into the illusion? Why wouldn't every Illusionist make every creature illusion super-protected? Where does one draw the line? One draws the line at what the targeting rules state because we have no other explicit rules. [/QUOTE]
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