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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 7232470" data-attributes="member: 20564">What's your goal - why do you want to make this change?&nbsp; Having that spelled out can help you determine if this change is right for your table.&nbsp; Is it because you want to empower mixed martial classes over straight martial classes?&nbsp; Do you see martial classes more mechanics to mix and don't want to delay their level 5 power bump?&nbsp; Do you want more &quot;realism&quot;?&nbsp; For my table, I'd have some reservations to address before adopting it.1. With most classes there are power bumps at 5th and 11th, and part of the balance of multiclassing is that you delay getting to these.&nbsp; With this, you are giving the power bump to martial multiclass combos but caster multiclass combos are still missing on having 3rd level spells (a big deal).&nbsp; So this will be an uneven boost.2. This makes dead levels - if you are multiclassing, 5th class level will have no features since you already got it at 5th character level.&nbsp; This (a) is disappointing when finally getting another level, and (b) will encourage people to stop before 5th level and so spread out to greater number of classes on a single character.&nbsp; I really don't like dead levels.3. The level five boost getting delayed is part of the balancing of multiclassing.&nbsp; This does remove that for the martial classes.4.&nbsp; Fighter is already a cherry-picking target, it gets a lot at 1st, 2nd and 3rd (and an ASI at 4th) - it seems like this would really encourage any martial character to grab a few fighter levels.&nbsp; Not a no-brainer becasue you are still delaying other class features, but with how tempting the early fighter features are I would expect to see a big uptick in it.Also a procedural question:&nbsp; How do you deal with this with subclasses that get extra attack at 6th such as Bard(Valor) or Wizard(Bladesinger) if they are mixed with a martial class?&nbsp; Will you also make the change for when the Blade Pact Warlock can pick up their extra attack invocation if they multiclass martially?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blue, post: 7232470, member: 20564"] What's your goal - why do you want to make this change? Having that spelled out can help you determine if this change is right for your table. Is it because you want to empower mixed martial classes over straight martial classes? Do you see martial classes more mechanics to mix and don't want to delay their level 5 power bump? Do you want more "realism"? For my table, I'd have some reservations to address before adopting it. 1. With most classes there are power bumps at 5th and 11th, and part of the balance of multiclassing is that you delay getting to these. With this, you are giving the power bump to martial multiclass combos but caster multiclass combos are still missing on having 3rd level spells (a big deal). So this will be an uneven boost. 2. This makes dead levels - if you are multiclassing, 5th class level will have no features since you already got it at 5th character level. This (a) is disappointing when finally getting another level, and (b) will encourage people to stop before 5th level and so spread out to greater number of classes on a single character. I really don't like dead levels. 3. The level five boost getting delayed is part of the balancing of multiclassing. This does remove that for the martial classes. 4. Fighter is already a cherry-picking target, it gets a lot at 1st, 2nd and 3rd (and an ASI at 4th) - it seems like this would really encourage any martial character to grab a few fighter levels. Not a no-brainer becasue you are still delaying other class features, but with how tempting the early fighter features are I would expect to see a big uptick in it. Also a procedural question: How do you deal with this with subclasses that get extra attack at 6th such as Bard(Valor) or Wizard(Bladesinger) if they are mixed with a martial class? Will you also make the change for when the Blade Pact Warlock can pick up their extra attack invocation if they multiclass martially? [/QUOTE]

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