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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Syrsuro" data-source="post: 4445300" data-attributes="member: 58162">This gets into a greyer area. I would say one save, but I can equally see a logic behind two saves. If you were talking about fire (two different creatures with two different powers, but the end result for each was 5 ongoing fire) I would say only one save. But you can argue that there are different kinds of poisons and thus there should be multiple saves. But I don't see that as RAW - I see poisons simplified down to an effect and the effects not stacking.  Indeed. The scenario you describe could end up with three saves (having failed one save versus the Drow Poison, the character now needs to save versus each of three effects: The attack penalty, the weakened condition and the ongoing poison. My scenario stopped after the first round and didn't consider the effect of the failed save. It is not entirely clear how you are supposed to handle accelerating effects such as the Drow Poison, but based on the fact that many other cases specify (save ends both) when multiple effects are conjoined under a single save while Drow Poison does not, the fact that the section on saves in the PHB describes cases where single powers generate multiple effects, each of which needs a save, and the ruling by CS on sleep spell (which likewise imposes a second effect, with a second save, on those who fail versus the initial effect) I would say that in this case if you fail the save versus the Drow Poison you now have two effects, both applied by the same power, each of which requires its own save. And if a character has saved against (and removed) one of the existing effects a new attack by a Drow could restore that effect (Which brings us back to saving versus effects, not powers).  But that is not due to being hit with multiple instances of Drow Poison, that would be equally true whether the character was hit once or ten times by the Drow Poison.  Carl</blockquote>

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