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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GammaPaladin" data-source="post: 4096992" data-attributes="member: 60497">Technically, no. It doesn't have a table of changes. The wording of the spell is such that it simply grants a +32 strength when you grow to colossal, regardless of what your initial size was, the bonus does not change.If you were for instance, an elder wyrn red dragon, and already colossal, who happened to be a level 20 wu jen for some reason, you could cast Giant Size, not change size at all, and still gain the 32 strength. It's written as an explicit ability bonus, not as something due to the size change.In fact, you could shrink two size categories to Huge, and still get stronger <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f635.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt="O.o" title="Er... what?    O.o"  data-smilie="12"data-shortname="O.o" />I do think it's a very poorly worded spell. I'm from the "If it isn't explicitly written, it doesn't exist" school when analyzing RAW, and the way this is written, it's a tad broken. It's probably not what they intended it to say, but it's what it does say. They should really errata it or something.I came across it while trying to create broken builds for fun over on the Wizards CO boards (Not that I can compete with those guys), to build the strongest monk I could come up with. I'd never actually try to play it. I just like seeing what the letter of the rules will allow, and noted Giant Size as a particularly broken spell.Yeah, it's Wu Jen only, but if you go Warforged Monk/WuJen/Enlightened Fist with Arcane Thesis and Practiced Spellcaster, Improved Natural Attack, and a Battlefist, you can still hit the Colossal +2 size table for your monk unarmed damage, and with a monk's belt, you even do it as a level 20 monk.I can't remember the exact base damage, but it's like 27d10 or something.That one doesn't bend a single rule either, although you could certainly rule that Battlefists and Improved Natural Attack don't stack, and force him down one size category...But yeah, Giant Size is way too powerful.</blockquote>

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