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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oldtimer" data-source="post: 4720765" data-attributes="member: 10503">I must agree with CapnZapp here. Ruling that you only need to save once against two instances of the same condition opens up a huge can of worms.Assume you are hit by two attacks. Attack A gives you ongoing 5 fire and immobilized (save ends both), attack B gives you ongoing 5 fire and dazed (save ends both). At the start of your turn you only take 5 fire damage, but at the end of your turn you (obviously) need to save twice. What happens if you save against the effect of attack A but not B? Are you still on fire? If not, are you still dazed? What if one of the attacks didn't have a rider effect? What if neither of them had a rider effect? So many questions, so few answers.Much simpler to do as CapnZapp suggests.</blockquote>