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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aeolius" data-source="post: 1213847" data-attributes="member: 2072">I'm surprised I never noticed this before.   I had always assumed that logic prevailed. The daughter of a succubus is a half-fiend, known as alu-demon in prior editions. The daughter of a succubus and dragon logically would be half-fiend and half-dragon. Right? Wrong.   According to Savage Species, "When adding multiple templates, halves become quarters. A creature with both half-celestial and half-dragon templates becomes a quarter-celestial/quarter-dragon creature." So, the daughter of a succubus and dragon would be a quarter-fiend; a tiefling, with the draconic template ("dragon-touched" in Draconomicon)? That's taking it a bit far, I admit.    Looking back over the rules, it seems that there is a "type pyramid" to consult, when stacking templates. I could have a half-dragon succubus, by the chart, or a half-fiend dragon, by bending the rules a bit.    I suppose my 1e AD&D background makes me view templates differently than others. I had always assumed that multiple inherited templates would remove the "base creature" entirely.   For example, in 1e I devised the kresh, a half-merrow half-scrag. 3e now says I have to keep either merrow or scrag as a base creature, even though there are half-ogre and half-troll templates available. I choose to invoke the "Breaking the Rules" sidebar in Savage Species, to keep my kresh as a unique creature comprised of the half-troll and half-ogre templates.   In a similar fashion, I could either have the character be a half-dragon succubus (and use the succubus monster levels in Savage Species for progression), defy the "type pyramid" to have a half-fiend dragon, or break the rules altogether to have a unique creature created from both the half-fiend and half-dragon templates.      Clearly, the offspring of a succubus and another creature will not be a full-blooded succubus. Clearly, the offspring of a dragon and another creature will not be a full-blooded dragon. Therefore, in instances where half-creature templates exist for both parents of a given offspring, the result is a unique amalgam comprised of both templates.   A suitable house rule, then?</blockquote>

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